IRC log for #brlcad on 20110303

00:16.22 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43643 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/combmem.c: Do some initializations for combmem.c, but it's not enough - getting some more of the weird complaints that identify line numbers that don't seem directly related to uninitialized aetvec and tvec
00:21.50 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43644 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/combmem.c: This does it - init 'em all
00:32.38 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43645 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): MFC r43644
01:28.27 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43646 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/raytrace.h src/libged/search.c src/librt/search.c): Move the unique object logic out of libged into a librt function. renaming and cleanup for clarity, more comments in raytrace.h header.
01:31.22 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43647 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (include/raytrace.h src/libged/search.c src/librt/search.c): MFC r43646
01:38.17 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43648 10/geomcore/trunk/tests/svntest/main.c: Start laying out the search plan for svn geometry testing.
02:05.27 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43649 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/search.c librt/search.c): Shift responsibility for making the default toplevel list of objects to librt from libged - this is sensible default behavior and will save doing this every time search logic is used to search the whole database.
02:06.54 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43650 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/ (libged/search.c librt/search.c): MFC r43649
02:08.06 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43651 10/geomcore/trunk/tests/svntest/main.c: tweak plan - search should iterate over everything by default now.
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09:49.49 *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD release prep for 7.18.2 under way (20110202)
10:20.45 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r43652 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
10:20.45 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: fixed release 43577 changes "back to not needing libregex search dir"
10:20.45 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: - re-enabled the libregex build
10:20.45 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: - removed the unnecessary libregex search dirs
11:51.31 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43653 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/CMakeLists.txt: VERSION_GREATER, not GREATER
11:58.45 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43654 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/misc/CMake/test_srcs/builddelta_end.c.in: do something with fscanf return to quiet compiler.
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12:11.43 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43656 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/tie_kdtree.c: whoops, that should have been in trunk - init min and max
12:14.37 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43657 10/brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h: comment tweak
12:40.55 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43658 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (. include/raytrace.h): fix comment in cmake too
12:59.55 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43659 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/raytrace.h src/libged/search.c src/librt/search.c): Ah, that's better - don't wipe out the path name list passed to the search functions - that's the responsibility of the function that created the list. provide db_free_full_path_list to make that easier.
13:00.40 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43660 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (include/raytrace.h src/libged/search.c src/librt/search.c): MFC r43659
14:09.45 brlcad MISSING from src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: search.c
14:09.45 brlcad NEED TO SYNC CMAKELISTS.TXT
14:10.09 starseeker once sec...
14:10.16 starseeker updates local autotools branch
14:11.49 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43661 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: Sync autotools branch CMakeLists.txt file
14:11.54 starseeker there we go
14:19.50 ``Erik ponders removing strict from tab since script.c complains on both osX.6 and fbsd :/
14:24.14 brlcad holy shit that's a lot of "lost changes" erik .. heh
14:24.38 brlcad some of it is ws, but a lot not
14:26.45 ``Erik yeah, it was a merge from trunk that stomped stuff, unfortunately :/
14:28.07 brlcad cool, retesting
14:28.16 starseeker needs to try compiling d_rossberg's CMake stuff to figure out what it is/does, and see if it can be made to do that with cmake branch files - if it can, the new CMake logic can be moved to trunk (even if it doesn't get enabled as the default system)
14:28.30 brlcad starseeker: r43630 .. heh, there are warnings that were that bad in time testing code that YOU wrote??
14:30.00 brlcad same reason they're maintenance burden for production code holds true for build system code too
14:31.40 brlcad r43607 also isn't right, it's a hvect, not a vect, so VSETALL doesn't apply ([3] is the fourth H element)
14:33.44 starseeker brlcad: keep reading :-)
14:35.17 starseeker 43610 should fix 43607
14:36.45 starseeker and I fixed the compile warnings on those timing utilities - I took out all the warning flag suppression for them in one of the later commits
14:38.07 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43662 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c: pl is a plane_t, fix a couple places where it's being treated like it's a vect_t.
14:43.33 brlcad I see, there were still other problems in that file
14:43.50 brlcad one that wasn't immediately evident what [H] should be set to
14:44.03 starseeker nods
14:44.07 starseeker that is odd
14:44.48 starseeker does some of that nmg code predate the establishment of the plane_t and vect_t types?
14:45.13 brlcad not really
14:45.26 starseeker sees if 7.18.2 builds...
14:45.42 starseeker or r43153 anyhow
14:45.49 brlcad the problem is probably more code evolution, someone coming in years later and thinking that a particular fastf_t * was one type vs another
14:46.57 brlcad for a long while, some compilers did not like having vect_t or plane_t listed as parameters, wanted the untypedef'd type (fastf_t*)
14:47.08 brlcad even today, I think some compilers still have a problem with it
14:47.11 brlcad (gcc)
14:47.24 starseeker huh
14:47.46 brlcad ideally should change those pl parameters to be plane_t, and see who breaks
14:48.04 starseeker probably after release? ;-)
14:48.31 brlcad 43613 (-fPIC) is concerning up there with r43630 (-w on build infrastructure)
14:49.03 brlcad probably, more like the next time someone is in that file making logic changes where it can be more carefully tested
14:49.46 starseeker brlcad: 43613 is beyond my debug skills, at least without putting a lot of time into it
14:50.07 brlcad fPIC isn't going to be valid for some compilers
14:50.20 brlcad and doesn't make sense for static code regardless
14:50.56 brlcad paste the (actual) compilation line and build failure
14:51.09 starseeker I'll yank it - I primarily needed to get by it to do other stuff at the time
14:51.28 starseeker build failure was posted earlier...
14:51.43 starseeker I don't have the compilation line handy - it was only on my home gentoo box I saw the issue
14:52.28 brlcad kind of one-liner tweak that gets ignored and is fine for a while, then bites someone years down the road taking days to debug and discover
14:53.00 brlcad having some issue that's PIC/non-PIC related can be disastrous debugging for dynamic loading
14:53.15 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43663 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: remove the fPIC flag for extrude.c
14:55.55 starseeker brlcad: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1122628
14:55.57 starseeker that's the error
14:56.34 brlcad can you paste the whole log, from compile line to the end of the error?
14:56.47 starseeker not right now - I can tonight
14:57.01 brlcad k
14:57.14 brlcad ahh, looks like it's out of date to, line numbers aren't matching up
14:57.51 starseeker uh - that was one of the fun parts of the error - line numbers reported didn't seem to have anything to do with the variables that might be unitialized
14:59.51 brlcad I mean the easy fix is to initialize all those vars it mentions
14:59.58 starseeker ah
14:59.59 brlcad if that's indeed the issue
15:00.20 brlcad that might at least hone the warning to something else, leading towards the root cause
15:00.56 starseeker let me see if a release build here can reproduce it... doubtful but you never know
15:05.26 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43664 10/brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h: add missing V2INITALL and V2INIT_ZERO macros providing the 2D versions of VINITALL and VINIT_ZERO
15:06.15 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43665 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: initialize a few 2d vars to zero, just because we like it that way
15:08.26 starseeker yeah, thought so - doesn't show up here
15:08.40 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43666 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/tie.c: reincorporate lost changes
15:10.20 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43667 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: slew of functions not marked static that should be static. make the compiler's job easier, those functions don't need to be exported.
15:10.38 brlcad that will probably fix the failure between those changes
15:10.48 starseeker brlcad: cool, thanks!
15:19.32 brlcad yeah, reading through the code, it's looking like there might be some obscure way that they'd get called without initialization or the compiler was getting confused by sub-scope variables getting passed in as arguments to other functions that had parameters with the same name
15:19.51 brlcad or it was cleverly following the call tree use and found some path of potential uninitialization
15:20.30 brlcad either way, the "why" doesn't matter so much in this instance since we can simply initialize like it's saying we should without harm
15:20.50 starseeker nods
15:22.05 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43668 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: init ra/rb to zero too, pull them back up to the top scope since they're double-declared in the same function.
15:23.26 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43669 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/extrude/extrude.c: get_indices can't be static, it's also used in sketch
15:23.48 cjdevlin any chance of a losethos <http://www.losethos.com/> port?
15:26.24 starseeker cjdevlin: I'm guessing probably not
15:26.37 starseeker never heard of it before - how did you come across it?
15:27.25 cjdevlin i think i got a new release announcement on a mailing list i am on. it's . . . interesting
15:27.48 starseeker it's intended for recreational programming, not "production" use
15:28.31 starseeker http://www.losethos.com/doc/Constitution.html would seem to pretty much rule it out as a worthwhile platform to port to
15:28.33 cjdevlin he created a custom version of c . . . i don't think anything will be ported to this ever . . .
15:30.23 starseeker Haiku is a lot more interesting, but someone(tm) would have to get Tk ported to their graphics system
15:31.56 starseeker brlcad got (iirc) all the non-graphical components of BRL-CAD compiled on Haiku at one point, including tcl, but Tk is a whole 'nother animal
15:32.05 cjdevlin haiku is the new beos right?
15:34.12 starseeker pretty much
15:40.57 cjdevlin who maintains the .debs on the brlcad site?
15:40.59 starseeker winces thinking about a Haiku compile with the new flags...
15:41.23 starseeker we've had some new work done on those recently...
15:42.12 starseeker don't recall if we actually got new debs uploaded to sf - the only Debian based system I have is my laptop, and even there I compile...
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15:43.06 cjdevlin well, here's the motivation for me asking . . . i am trying to learn how to program. with some assistance from the people in this room i was able to get source compiled a few times. i figured working on just the packaging will be a way to get my feet wet. i am an ubuntu user, but ubuntu is basically debian.
15:43.18 cjdevlin http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289632
15:43.33 cjdevlin and it seems like people have been trying to get it into debian for quite a while
15:43.51 starseeker take a look in misc/debian
15:45.14 cjdevlin i also don't want to step on toes or reinvent the wheel if someone is actively working on it
15:45.15 starseeker ah, right - Jordi Sayol
15:45.30 starseeker back in January
15:45.54 starseeker most recent commit was actually 2/28, so fair to say he's active :-)
15:46.22 cjdevlin does he spend much time here?
15:46.27 brlcad cjdevlin: chances are greatly increased if you attempt the port ;)
15:48.16 cjdevlin brlcad: well then, based on my current working knowledge of programming and the graphics libraries available on the target platform: expect commits around 2020 (ish) :)
15:49.05 cjdevlin brlcad the program is only what? a million lines of code?
15:49.25 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r43670 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/BrlcadCore.def: export rt_bot_mintie() for nirt
15:49.53 starseeker brlcad: I tried compiling 43153 on Redhat and can't reproduce it
15:51.21 brlcad cjdevlin: approximately, yep
15:51.38 brlcad twice that if you count all our dependenceis
15:52.07 brlcad this losethos guy is pretty awesome
15:52.09 brlcad hilarious
15:52.34 starseeker ah HAH!
15:52.39 starseeker system regex doesn't work
15:53.09 cjdevlin brlcad: isn't 2million the lines of code that run (ran) Jurassic Park :) ?
15:53.46 cjdevlin he's been working on it full time for more than 7 years . . .
16:00.14 starseeker blinks
16:00.20 starseeker system regex works with trunk??
16:03.06 brlcad define "works"?
16:03.20 brlcad should work..
16:04.10 starseeker yes, but that looks like the change - 7.18.2 failed with system, trunk succeeds
16:05.21 brlcad so the good news is 7.18.2 binaries might not be working if they're enable all, but an enable all build should work for .2 and trunk
16:05.38 brlcad er, if they're NOT enable all
16:06.11 starseeker right
16:06.13 brlcad that begs the question why system regex would fail -- perhaps a non-portable regex expression being used
16:06.25 brlcad red/ted use regex?
16:06.32 starseeker I am using some features only supported by newer regex installs
16:06.34 starseeker yes
16:06.40 starseeker red does anyway
16:07.05 brlcad that should be easy to fix then
16:07.27 starseeker uh, define fix...
16:07.41 brlcad finds the expressions
16:08.01 starseeker the part that's throwing me is it succeeds in trunk
16:08.05 brlcad there's no "new" regex feature that isn't supported by older regex in another form
16:08.18 brlcad yeah, that's interesting
16:08.31 brlcad if trunk succeeds with system regex, then maybe a red herring
16:08.42 starseeker wait, let me try trunk autotools
16:08.43 brlcad coincidental, but not the problem
16:08.49 starseeker right
16:08.59 _psilva ugh.. cant login to 'new' account.. i left large corporations to avoid this crap :(
16:09.15 brlcad and then got bought out by one
16:09.26 _psilva cries
16:09.45 brlcad president was a pussy? sold out?
16:10.02 _psilva he wanted his millions?
16:10.03 _psilva heh
16:10.25 _psilva flash needs to be replaced ;)
16:11.05 brlcad join the html5 committee?
16:11.15 _psilva we'll see
16:11.58 _psilva bunch of flash 'experts' are moving to html5
16:12.13 _psilva and are implementing similar constructs via js/canvas
16:12.19 brlcad this Terry Davis losethos guy is pretty funny, wonder how he had so much time to dedicate to something like that
16:13.02 brlcad classic hacking, for just the hell of it all on his own from scratch
16:13.42 brlcad random custom constructs, caveats, and inconsisties all over the place, but fun nontheless
16:14.12 _psilva what's this?
16:14.15 cjdevlin it has a cool flight sim though
16:14.32 brlcad _psilva: dude that wrote his own OS http://www.losethos.com/
16:14.47 brlcad not general purpose, just for fun
16:14.49 _psilva ah
16:15.07 brlcad the "command line" is actually a C-variant live interpreter
16:15.26 _psilva we had quite a time dealing with the creator of atheos, who's working at funcom atm
16:16.44 _psilva wow that's a lot of effort
16:17.15 cjdevlin it seems like you guys are maintaining both autotools and cmake? mind if i ask why? (purely a personal info question, not trying to start an argument)
16:17.18 brlcad all three videos are pretty intersting
16:17.36 brlcad cjdevlin: we're migrating to cmake, but autotools is the oldstay until we switch
16:17.53 brlcad years went into autotools, so it's pretty lock solid, but cmake is the new coke
16:18.23 cjdevlin helps the cross platform effort also?
16:18.30 brlcad that's the main motivation
16:18.51 _psilva did u ever make a new gui for brlcad?
16:19.00 brlcad getting a unified build that'll span linux, mac, other unices, AND windows .. which has been the lone child out
16:19.14 brlcad _psilva: two of them, but both still under development
16:19.21 _psilva screens?
16:19.35 brlcad archer is about to go into alpha
16:19.36 brlcad http://brlcad.org/tmp/archer.png
16:20.11 starseeker if I got that right, r43400 seems to work with system regex
16:20.19 _psilva interesting.. tcl?
16:20.29 brlcad http://brlcad.org/~starseeker/archer_latest.png
16:20.37 brlcad http://brlcad.org/~starseeker/archer_ronja1.png
16:21.40 brlcad _psilva: yeah, archer is .. the "3rd gen" one isn't, but the screenshots are more simple -- pre-pre alpha
16:22.49 _psilva archer looks nice
16:22.56 _psilva better than what i remember
16:23.07 _psilva any info on the 3rd gen ui?
16:23.12 brlcad _psilva: most of the time has been spent implementing support for NURBS and STEP, library and source code refactoring, and the Geometry Service
16:23.55 brlcad most of the GUI things you'd want require robust NURBS support, CSG evaluation of NURBS, and reliable fast surface tessellation
16:24.19 brlcad so the focus has been on NURBS more than the GUI itself, so we can still have verifiable CAD constructs
16:24.29 _psilva ic
16:24.55 brlcad some screenies of 3rd gen at http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Ralith
16:25.50 brlcad the screenie at the bottom actually has an embedded mged command interpreter, input bindings mimicing mged, blender, and a game controller
16:26.04 _psilva cool
16:26.10 brlcad otherwise, mostly basic infrastructure
16:29.13 cjdevlin was the unix/linux version done in gtk? and now you are writing a new gui in Qt?
16:29.31 starseeker original gui work was in Tk
16:29.44 starseeker new effort uses a combination of Qt and Ogre
16:38.53 starseeker 43200 exhibits the failure...
16:55.11 starseeker 43310 works...
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17:23.49 starseeker ok, 43213 exhibits the failure
17:35.46 starseeker hah, cool: http://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/137203-SOL-001-005.pdf
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17:41.08 starseeker even cooler: http://simplesat.gsfc.nasa.gov/drawings.html
17:47.24 starseeker wonder if there are public cad drawings for that simplesat...
17:51.36 alex_joni starseeker: nice :)
17:55.31 starseeker not a drawing itself, but possibly interesting as a source of layout conventions: http://mscweb.gsfc.nasa.gov/543web/files/GSFC-X-673-64-1F.pdf
17:57.04 starseeker 43214 fails...
18:02.04 alex_joni heh, if I would have followed that doc I probably would have never finished with my design :)
18:06.27 starseeker hmm... http://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/hessi/reference/drawings/hessi10_26_99%20Archive/
18:06.37 alex_joni starseeker: http://juve.ro/blog-files/projects/01298803577/steadycam.pdf
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18:16.53 starseeker alex_joni: hah, cool!
18:16.53 starseeker what license is the model?
18:16.56 starseeker looks like it might be a solid model? http://juve.ro/blog/projects/01298803577
18:16.57 starseeker 43216 fails...
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18:39.39 starseeker 43235 fails
18:39.48 starseeker gets lunch
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19:13.27 alex_joni starseeker: haven't decided on the license yet, but something open
19:19.04 alex_joni not even sure what licenses are aplicable to solid models and cad drawings
19:28.50 starseeker usually I see creative commons
19:29.01 starseeker (see openmoko for an example)
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20:31.34 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43671 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: The reported red failure was due to disabling compile of local regex, resulting in interference from tcl regex. After commit 43259, this is no longer occurring and proper behavior is restored.
20:51.29 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43672 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (5 files in 5 dirs): MFC r43671
20:59.40 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43673 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/tie.c: indent
21:11.19 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43674 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/ (tie_kdtree.c tieprivate.h): de-magic the haschildren/leafnode bit and comment some on bitpacking
21:11.59 alex_joni starseeker: sounds good
21:25.34 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43675 10/geomcore/trunk/src/other/subversion/other/apr-util/xml/expat/Makefile.in: Looks like a Makefile.in got ignored.
21:35.52 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43676 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/tie_kdtree.c: check alignment on kd nodes
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21:44.51 vtts hi, is such problem known on mac os x? http://pastie.org/1630246
21:45.47 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43677 10/geomcore/trunk/src/other/subversion/other/apr-util/ (87 files in 15 dirs): Sync apr-util directory with apr-util-1.3.10
21:56.11 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43678 10/geomcore/trunk/src/other/subversion/ (CMake/ThirdParty.cmake CMakeLists.txt): third party build logic ain't happy - get closer, but this won't be enough
22:31.03 starseeker vtts: yow. Is that with OpenGL enabled?
22:33.26 vtts agl
22:36.15 starseeker uh... we don't use agl yet - we work with X11 opengl on the mac
22:36.47 vtts ok then, I'll try skipping OpenGL and see if it works
22:36.59 alex_joni starseeker: now with license info: http://juve.ro/blog/projects/01298803577
22:37.11 starseeker not sure if that'll do anything, but worth a try... that's a pretty new version of OSX
22:37.54 starseeker alex_joni: cool! what cad system are you modeling in?
22:38.01 alex_joni I'll put the solid up in a couple days (when I get a round-tuit)
22:38.04 alex_joni starseeker: alibre
22:38.17 starseeker does it export to step? (drool...)
22:38.21 alex_joni yes
22:38.34 starseeker awesome
22:39.02 alex_joni I found it very nice/cheap (about 2k for the expert version which does CAE, CAM, unlimited everythings, etc)
22:39.22 alex_joni limited CAM though..
22:39.27 starseeker nods
22:39.38 starseeker hey, if it works it works
22:39.40 alex_joni right
22:39.48 alex_joni "only" 2.5D and 3D
22:40.09 alex_joni anyways, I used SW a bit before this, and Inventor
22:40.20 alex_joni but I like alibre better, and it's less than half the price
22:40.31 starseeker wonder what engine they're using
22:40.39 alex_joni oh, did I mention you get 5 seats for that price?
22:41.09 starseeker heh - amazing. A far cry from the $30,000 per set licensing (back when that was real money)
22:41.23 alex_joni heh
22:41.50 alex_joni they use step as the internal datatype
22:41.57 alex_joni some step variant anyways
22:42.03 starseeker sweet
22:44.34 alex_joni they used to have a limited free version
22:44.45 alex_joni now it's 99$/seat for the personal version
22:45.02 starseeker nods - lot like Mathematica in that respect
22:45.11 starseeker suck in the students, then *wham*
22:46.02 starseeker always preferred the open solutions, even if they weren't as full-featured/glitzy, but sometimes you need the functionality (especially for "real work")
22:46.46 alex_joni yeah, I know..
22:47.02 alex_joni well.. there's Octave out there ;)
22:47.34 starseeker :-). That's the Matlab-alike - for phyics (my undergrad) Maxima was the major player
22:47.50 starseeker Axiom later made an appearance, and then Reduce as well
22:48.05 alex_joni ah right, was thinking of Matlab
22:50.41 brlcad vtts: opengl is fine, but you have to enable compilation of tcl/tk (--enable-all)
22:50.59 alex_joni starseeker: step 203 / step 214 ?
22:51.00 brlcad the system tk on 10.6 is compatible, but will crash because we assume an X11 binding
22:51.14 brlcad 203 at the moment
22:51.20 starseeker alex_joni: I believe 203, but if it's easy why not put up both?
22:52.14 starseeker is a greedy sucker when it comes to test cases :-P
22:53.08 alex_joni coming up in a sec
22:54.13 alex_joni I can also export ACIS and parasolid (x_t)
22:54.23 alex_joni if those are valid test cases let me know
22:54.42 starseeker urm. Interesting, but I don't know if those formats are documented?
22:55.08 brlcad sure, why not -- x_t would be useful
22:55.22 brlcad it's a text-based format, somewhat easy to parse
22:55.37 starseeker they'd all be handy for "Rosetta stone" work if someone wanted to start figuring out the formats, but for now we've got all we can do to support the ones that are :-P
22:55.46 starseeker having the same model in multiple formats is quite handy
22:57.33 starseeker 's jaw hits the floor...
22:59.10 vtts brlcad, make install fails if i enable tcl/tk :(
22:59.12 CIA-77 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43679 10/geomcore/trunk/tests/svntest/main.c: Commit svntest quick before it changes it's mind - got what appears to be a working assembly search. Not doing much intelligent with it yet, but that went surprisingly smooth.
22:59.43 alex_joni ok, models uploaded
23:00.57 starseeker alex_joni: awesome, thanks!
23:02.12 brlcad vtts: what's the failure?
23:03.09 alex_joni starseeker: let me know if you can open them
23:08.26 starseeker oooh, wow - step-g doesn't like the 203 file
23:09.23 starseeker excellent - good test case
23:09.41 alex_joni heh
23:10.52 starseeker actually is quite a good test - lots of objects, but not huge
23:10.55 alex_joni well, good night all
23:11.04 starseeker night, and thanks again!
23:11.06 alex_joni has to get up early
23:11.11 starseeker yuck
23:11.25 alex_joni not _that_ early.. around 7am (early for me)
23:11.45 starseeker heh - for me that's the dead zone - either 5am or 9am work
23:12.03 alex_joni I'm more the 9am guy :)
23:12.05 vtts brlcad, I didn't save it :(, will pastebin it tomorrow
23:12.11 alex_joni but it's after 1am here.. so :/
23:12.19 starseeker alex_joni: cool, night!
23:14.41 starseeker must head out too...

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