IRC log for #brlcad on 20110307

01:14.33 starseeker vtts: rtedge
03:43.26 brlcad starseeker: so good news is I figured out the cause for why the combination editor no longer works, bad news is it was the pacakge require replacements you put in leu of ITcl_Init() in mged's setup.c
03:56.28 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43737 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS TODO src/mged/setup.c):
03:56.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: fixed the combination editor. didn't achieve understanding into the underlying
03:56.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: cause (left as an exercise to the reader), but changing Itcl_Init() to a
03:56.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 'package require Itcl' was not equivalent. iwidgets ends up attempting to
03:56.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: create a class twice (LabeledFrame) causing a runtime error. changed back so
03:56.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: release can progres.
04:03.00 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43738 10/brlcad/trunk/src/util/: rtwizard moved to tclscripts
04:08.36 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43739 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/rtwizard/rtwizard.tcl: use the same initialization approach archer uses so rtwizard will run prior to installation
04:19.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43740 10/brlcad/trunk/src/bwish/ (cadAppInit.c main.c):
04:19.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: same patch applied to mged for unbreaking the Combination Editor applies here.
04:19.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: confirmed that archer and rtwizard were non-functional, would not start, due to
04:19.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: multiple class errors. this reverts the package require back to an Itcl_Init(),
04:19.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: itk too. archer/rtwizard now start up again.
04:23.05 brlcad vtts: the bug you reported here is now fixed, thanks
04:26.52 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43741 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: (log message trimmed)
04:26.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: may or may not be specific to Mac OS X, but the bug report and confirmation were
04:26.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: both on Mac OS X. the bug prevented both archer and rtwizard (both bwish-based)
04:26.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: from running. they'd abort out during initialization with a multiple class
04:26.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: error. problem was isolated as a change to the way bwish initialized. thanks
04:26.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: to vtts for reporting the related combination editor bug via IRC. Runtime
04:26.54 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: release testing for the previous release presumably happened on Linux, so this
04:30.52 starseeker is getting rather tired of Itcl/Itk
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04:31.10 brlcad oops
04:31.15 starseeker is getting rather tired of Itcl/Itk
04:32.19 brlcad I presume those package require changes were tested on Linux?
04:32.39 starseeker I've been using them to do everything for a while now
04:32.58 starseeker Windows, Mac and Linux
04:33.14 brlcad on Mac? rtwizard loads?
04:33.33 starseeker dunno about rtwizard - will have to check tomorrow if I can make it in
04:33.42 starseeker has a leak somewhere
04:33.47 brlcad mged would start just fine, it wasn't until it hit a panel that used iwidgets
04:33.49 starseeker basement carpet is wet
04:33.55 brlcad fun!
04:33.57 brlcad not
04:34.07 starseeker and we found out one of our cats has gone blind
04:34.13 starseeker this has been a real kicker of a weekend
04:34.14 brlcad aw
04:43.46 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43742 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: search seems to be working much better now, but noticed several non-critical test failures that current usage docs (and reasonable expectations) indicate they should work. most are pretty simple.
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11:06.05 dloman yawns
11:08.33 dloman So.... if a cmake find script isn't finding libraries... where should i put the paths to the libs? in PATH or LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
11:21.26 Ralith might as well try and see
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12:13.44 starseeker dloman: depends on the script
12:13.49 starseeker which script is failing?
12:19.21 dloman findqt
12:19.38 starseeker try putting the bin directory that has the qt binaries in PATH
12:19.39 dloman at i verified qt is in /usr/lib32
12:19.44 dloman right on
12:19.49 dloman just sat back down
12:19.54 dloman gonna try that very thing :)
12:20.01 starseeker heh
12:22.08 dloman so yeah.... lots of rain + sudden temp drop + stupid winds == nastly little mess up here.
12:22.41 dloman one entire side of my jeep is coated in 1/2" of snow/ice stuff that's hard as a rock.
12:22.48 starseeker ow
12:22.50 dloman broke both my ice chippers on it.
12:23.15 starseeker is trying to figure out where the water that soaked his closet carpet is coming from...
12:23.35 dloman check the walls.
12:23.42 dloman we just had a leak fixed.
12:23.42 starseeker guessing either the roof finally gave up the ghost or a hole in the siding over the front door...
12:23.54 starseeker walls are pretty dry
12:24.00 dloman ours were too :)
12:24.12 dloman leaking in the second story (of 3 stories)
12:24.24 dloman was running down a beam or two in the main load bearing wall.
12:24.28 dloman crazy
12:24.38 starseeker dloman: who did you call to get it taken care of?
12:24.57 dloman oh man. Its the contractor that originally put our roof on.
12:25.08 starseeker ah
12:25.11 dloman name is down stairs, but its a MD contractor
12:25.28 dloman $200 min visit fee, but that covers 90% of leak fixes and shingle replacements.
12:25.55 starseeker sounds interesting
12:30.07 dloman ill dig up the name the next time I head downstairs.
12:32.35 starseeker dloman: awesome, thanks
12:36.34 dloman So who knew: Batman Begins score == great coding music :)
12:37.01 starseeker hehe
12:37.20 starseeker probably won't be in today, or if he is it'll be later
12:37.41 starseeker need to schedule leak fix due and get dehumidifier rented
12:47.21 dloman Cranford Contractors: 410 792 7663
12:47.40 dloman they got here pretty quick (2 day turnaround) considering all the wind we've been having lately
12:48.02 dloman this is my first experience with them, but they seemed to have fixed up the roof pretty well.
12:50.52 starseeker hmm... I probably need somebody to deal with siding as well as roof
12:53.40 dloman ah bloody hell.
12:53.52 dloman :/ gotta get QT.
12:53.59 starseeker hehe
12:54.17 dloman thought it was installed, but noooooo. nothing can be that easy
12:55.28 dloman I so need an 8 core laptop.....
13:12.38 brlcad PATH is binaries, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is libraries (for linux/bsd, not other platforms)
13:13.17 dloman brlcad: kk awesome
13:23.34 dloman hahaha, just a a film trailer for "Inner city vs Outer space"
13:23.47 dloman street thugs vs space aliens
13:23.54 dloman aaaahahahaha, i love it.
13:24.06 dloman "Attack the Block" i think its called.
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14:42.36 epileg brlcad: actual trunk successfully compile in ubuntu and fedora, but i get errors in opensuse, and i'm a bit lost. Can You help me please?
14:42.36 epileg http://paste.debian.net/109872/
15:08.37 ezzieyguywuf [10:08:27] IRCnet: irc.freenode.net:6667 (IRCnet)
15:08.39 ezzieyguywuf whoops
15:14.57 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43743 10/geomcore/trunk/src/utility/ (Config.cxx GSUuid.cxx): Add some includes to make compiling on Ubuntu 10.10 work.
15:21.33 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43744 10/geomcore/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): More includes to make compiling on Ubuntu 10.10 work.
15:25.38 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43745 10/geomcore/trunk/src/GS/GSClient.cxx: cast uint64_t to long long to make printf happy
15:30.43 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43746 10/geomcore/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Final round of adding includes to make compiling on Ubuntu 10.10 work.
15:49.30 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43747 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/librt/librt.vcproj: add search.c
16:12.37 brlcad epileg: sure, the key there is "warnings being treated as errors"
16:13.21 brlcad so either "make STRICT_FLAGS=" or run configure with --disable-strict
16:14.41 epileg ok, i'll try with "--disable-strict"
16:31.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43748 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/tcl.c: expand the function declarations from K&R form to complete 'real' prototypes. these probably belong in a lifb_private.h header or (better) wrapped into a callback btable.
16:31.46 brlcad that should quell the warning too
16:41.08 epileg brlcad: solved! successfully compile and install on openSUSE
16:42.34 epileg BTW I do not find the way to make an application as default for some mime-type in KDE. no problem in GNOME. Someone nows how to do it?
16:42.46 epileg *knows
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17:30.51 dloman Is there a built in try/catch framework inside the TCL we use?
17:40.24 vtts brlcad, thanks for the fix, just checked it, works like a charm
17:43.54 vtts if you are in the mood, there is another one, with "archer -h": http://pastebin.com/unDAYkfJ
17:44.17 vtts mac os x, r43748 build with --enable-all
17:45.00 vtts although launching it with other options doesn't cause this
17:45.47 vtts unfortunately i don't have ogl support, so cannot see anyting past the startup screen
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18:25.43 ``Erik well, poop, tcl ignores --disable-64bit-build
18:35.13 dloman So it turns out that the Children of Dune OST is pretty darn good.
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18:51.14 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43749 10/geomcore/trunk/src/libJob/JobManager.cxx: QT ripout cleanup: JobManager *should* start workers when JobManager::start() is called.
18:57.43 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43750 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: archer's kill command seems to be working better now
18:59.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43751 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: write up a bunch of archer to-do tasks that are necessary before archer can go into beta (some are even alpha blockers). mostly focusing on usability and migration.
19:01.33 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43752 10/geomcore/trunk/ (include/AbstractJob.h src/libJob/AbstractJob.cxx): Wire UUIDs back into abstractjob.
19:13.19 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43753 10/geomcore/trunk/tests/libJob/ (BasicJMTest.cxx PrintToStdOutJob.cxx): Get BasicJMTest working again.
19:15.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43754 10/geomcore/trunk/tests/libJob/BasicJMTest.cxx: Bad Developer: Redundant delete calls for JM. Forgot to delete PrintToStdOutJob objects on exit.
19:25.38 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43755 10/geomcore/trunk/docs/CMakeLists-Template.txt: Drop template. Very outdated.
19:29.11 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43756 10/geomcore/trunk/tests/coreInterface/: Drop coreInterface test ....dunno how I missed removing this earlier.
19:30.35 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43757 10/geomcore/trunk/tests/ (libEvent/BasicEventTest.cxx libNet/PrintingMsgHandler.h): Remove a few lingering QT ghosts
19:34.46 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43758 10/geomcore/trunk/src/ (CMakeLists.txt adminpanel/): Drop Adminpanel. Old research project that is no longer useful.
19:36.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43759 10/geomcore/trunk/include/ (AppLauncher.h BaseApp.h): Drop unused application launch framework.
19:37.36 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43760 10/geomcore/trunk/src/libJob/ (JobWorker.cxx JobWorker.h): Remove a few more lingering QT ghosts
19:43.14 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r43761 10/geomcore/trunk/CMakeLists.txt: Remove CMake's search for QT. ....and with that, Geomcore is 100% qt free.
19:43.45 brlcad woot
19:44.03 brlcad horay for simplified dependency management ;)
19:46.47 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43762 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg.c: unnecessary cast
19:48.05 ``Erik adminpanel doesn't require qt? or is it not part?
19:48.32 dloman it was a research thingy
19:48.39 dloman already been superseded
19:48.48 dloman so i just deleted it.
19:49.43 ``Erik aight, cool.. saw some gui pieces, so I wasn't touching it
19:54.54 dloman ``Erik: starseeker thanks for all the help!
19:57.33 starseeker that reminds me - the assembly and region trial on Friday succeed in something like 30 seconds as opposed to 5 minutes for havoc
19:59.08 starseeker dloman: you're welcome :-)
20:01.14 starseeker brlcad: are you volunteering to make new icons? :-P
20:01.15 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03jordisayol * r43763 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/debian/brlcad.sh: add brlcad man path to manpath env. variable in GNU/Linux
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20:48.41 brlcad starseeker: if it's holding up beta, sure
20:48.57 brlcad that one isn't an alpha hold-up, but should be fixed by beta
20:49.51 starseeker <PROTECTED>
20:50.10 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r43764 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/bot/tie_kdtree.c: clean up #if0 blocks, commented out printfs, etc
20:50.11 starseeker those were mostly just "better than grey pixels"
20:54.37 brlcad I noticed that there were a bunch of icons missing, I only listed the few that had some bigger issue
20:55.29 brlcad isolates the nmg bug down to ~100 lines
21:01.52 yukonbob1 brlcad: what's the script and what are it's requirements (ie: needs certain database, certain brl-cad version, certain env?)
21:11.40 brlcad yukonbob1: it's our tcl test suite
21:11.55 brlcad runs hundreds of commands through mged
21:12.20 brlcad one of the hundreds is crashing, and it wasn't immediately obvious which one exactly
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21:36.43 yukonbob1 brlcad: ah -- is this only w/ most recent versions of brl-cad, or would I be able to witness w/ 7.18.0
21:36.47 yukonbob1 ?
21:41.45 brlcad it's been in there for over a year, it's part of our regression testing
21:41.50 starseeker brlcad: missing? you mean primitives without icons?
21:43.00 brlcad yeah
21:43.31 brlcad e.g., not a big deal that rpp doesn't have an icon
21:43.37 starseeker ah
21:44.01 brlcad expecially since it'd then have to be rectified against arb8's icon since they'd look identical
21:44.05 starseeker tried to at least get something for most of the significant ones, although adimttedly some of them suck...
21:44.46 brlcad I was just listing the things that might affect release, not a critique or comment on the progress made to great
21:44.56 brlcad to *date .. great stuff
21:45.16 starseeker nods - we really need a proper graphic artist for "release quality" graphics
21:45.27 starseeker that's a skill all its own
21:45.51 brlcad since we were talking about release issues the other day, I thought I'd offload several things that I've noticed
21:47.29 starseeker cool - thanks!
21:47.30 brlcad making proper graphics isn't hard - you just have to be hyper observant, obsessive attention to detail, or decent amount of experience
21:47.38 starseeker now if only we could get time to work on them...
21:48.25 brlcad yep
21:48.43 brlcad it takes a long time to make good graphics
21:49.37 brlcad coders undervalue graphics designers (oh that's easy, just takes a couple hours..) as often as managers undervalue coders (oh that's easy, just takes a couple days)
21:50.12 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43765 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/ (27 files in 15 dirs): MFC r43764
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21:55.16 starseeker brlcad: I don't suppose we can bsd license common.h by any chance?
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22:22.21 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43766 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (Makefile.am primitives/nmg/nmg.c): partial revert of the ntohl/htonl conversions made to NMG since they cause a crash. turn off strict since we're temporarily reverting back to bu xdr routines.
22:23.08 starseeker brlcad: after release, do you mind if I try to straighten out whatever the issue was with package require Itcl and go back to that approach?
22:23.38 starseeker is taking a stab at updating the CMake logic for current code and now remembers why he went the other route...
22:27.09 brlcad starseeker: there's not really copyright-worthy in common.h, at least nothing I'd worry about reusing on a whim :)
22:27.21 starseeker ah, cool :-)
22:27.39 starseeker will need the UNUSED macro or something like it to make openNURBS happy with strict flags...
22:28.02 brlcad starseeker: you can sort it out before or after the release (preferably on a platform where you can reproduce), the issue was really just getting back to a stable point
22:28.21 starseeker nods - I'll wait for now
22:28.32 brlcad i have my suspicion as to the cause
22:28.43 starseeker what's that?
22:28.46 brlcad it's double declaration of classes
22:28.53 brlcad so basically inconsistency
22:28.57 starseeker ah
22:29.03 brlcad I think you just didn't take it far enough
22:29.14 brlcad you make itcl and itk package require but not iwidgets
22:29.29 brlcad so iwidgets was static loaded, but the other two not
22:29.31 starseeker O.o
22:29.45 brlcad so something went awry in tcl's book-keeping of what is loaded
22:29.47 starseeker I didn't realize there was a library to be statically loaded with iwidgets
22:29.59 starseeker thought it was just a bunch of tcl scripts
22:30.19 brlcad it is
22:30.37 brlcad but it does a Tcl_Import of iwidgets
22:30.50 starseeker ahhh
22:31.14 brlcad I don't know -- I could be way off, but that's something that came to mind
22:31.33 starseeker wonders how the heck it works for him...
22:31.44 brlcad should frankly be able to remove itcl/itk/iwidgets from bwish/mged
22:31.54 brlcad make the scripts package require correctly
22:32.16 starseeker oh, you mean do it "normally" in the src/tclscripts files?
22:32.25 brlcad right
22:32.52 brlcad there's no benefit for the cad commands to be auto-loaded on instantiation of an interpreter
22:33.00 brlcad I mean, no major one at least
22:36.11 starseeker should be fair to package require BRL-CAD or some such...
22:38.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43767 10/brlcad/trunk/src/fbed/Makefile.am: per-target cppflags wasn't added until 1.7+ so use AM_CPPFLAGS instead
22:42.35 starseeker rtwizard runs here - I wonder if that's due to the screwy install setup I have...
22:48.36 starseeker brlcad: remind me why we're importing itcl/itk/iwidgets into the global namespace?
22:49.33 brlcad better question is what will break if we don't import it, and that I do not know
22:49.49 starseeker hmm
22:50.28 brlcad plenty broke from what should have been an equivalent change ;)
22:52.53 starseeker Oh, I wasn't planning on doing it now :-P
22:53.03 starseeker we have enough release problems without borrowing more
22:53.29 starseeker I'd just really like to get to where our Tcl/Tk stuff isn't so cranky and fragile anymore
22:54.57 starseeker O.o I can't reproduce the failure here - what platform did you see it on?
22:57.04 brlcad mac, 10.6
22:57.25 brlcad vtts was also on mac iirc, dunno which version
22:57.48 brlcad mine is usually an enable-all build for testing
23:18.28 brlcad starseeker: when you wrote the tcl mged tests .. what state did you leave them in?
23:18.43 brlcad i.e., were they working?
23:23.18 starseeker at the time they were, I believe
23:23.25 starseeker that was a long time ago
23:23.50 starseeker Pro/Batch sucks
23:24.40 brlcad interesting
23:25.06 brlcad because I got a magic bomb translating halfspaces, null parameter, that I can't see having ever worked
23:26.16 starseeker huh
23:26.34 starseeker shrugs - I may have messed it up somehow
23:27.26 brlcad no no
23:27.33 brlcad the problem was in librt
23:28.01 starseeker oh, you mean an actual problem with the halfspace, not the test scripts?
23:28.12 brlcad I added the support, I just don't see how translating a half ever worked with the out pointer was null
23:28.18 brlcad right
23:39.21 brlcad hm, well that's positive.. seems to be crashing on linux too
23:39.37 brlcad starseeker: if you have a build, can you test what make test in regress/mged does?
23:43.31 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r43768 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/half/half.c: how did this ever work? if the out pointer is null, we need to initialize and create one. nearly identical to what extrude does now.
23:43.43 starseeker um... need to make an autotools build, one sec
23:45.32 brlcad try without that change first
23:45.35 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r43769 10/brlcad/branches/cmake/src/ (bwish/cadAppInit.c bwish/main.c mged/cmd.c mged/setup.c): CMake branch isn't set up to build with itcl/itk C api - need to resolve the package require issues.
23:45.43 starseeker k
23:48.16 starseeker brlcad: when rtwizard is crashing, is it from an installed location or the build dir?
23:49.17 starseeker heh - just noticed, shapelib is actually an lgpl dependency
23:49.25 starseeker looks like our first
23:54.13 starseeker interesting - comb.tcl already has a package require Iwidgets
23:54.21 brlcad starseeker: actually it's dual-licensed
23:54.22 brlcad MIT
23:54.29 starseeker ah, cool
23:54.44 brlcad an odd dual-license, but I wasn't going to complain
23:54.46 starseeker wonders what the point of a dual LGPL/MIT license is...
23:55.16 starseeker autotools build clunking along
23:55.31 starseeker will have to remember how to run those tests again - completely forgotten
23:56.55 brlcad cd regress/mged && make test :)
23:56.56 starseeker iirc, I had notions of replacing the sh regression logic with tcl regression logic for cross-platform compatibility...
23:57.04 starseeker oh, I got it that far? cool
23:57.19 brlcad looks like my linux failure has been fixed with recent changes
23:57.55 starseeker rtwizard appears to have package require calls too
23:58.48 starseeker somewhat bemusingly, I don't see such a call in archer
23:59.46 brlcad iirc, my rtwizard invoke was pre-install

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