| 00:25.58 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Bhinesley 07http://brlcad.org * r3373 10/wiki/User:Bhinesley: create a TODO list, of sorts, for the edit command |
| 00:26.59 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Bhinesley 07http://brlcad.org * r3374 10/wiki/User:Bhinesley: /* Edit command */ better title |
| 00:35.53 | bhinesley | brlcad: section 6.1 of http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Bhinesley is what I've come up with for bringing edit to completion (with a couple other things mixed in there) |
| 00:36.50 | bhinesley | I'm sure you're busy with gsoc and all, and it's not pressing (I still have to research gsoc ideas), so we can go over it another time if you'd like. |
| 00:38.54 | bhinesley | I figured that I could work on it the first couple weeks of the "community bonding period" or earlier |
| 01:04.51 | brlcad | starseeker: you seen this gentoo patch? http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.cvs/437348 |
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| 02:25.07 | brlcad | hello crdueck |
| 02:28.28 | brlcad | crdueck: something I suggested to another was to focus on one of the math tasks mentioned on our quickies page |
| 02:28.32 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Contributor_Quickies |
| 02:29.20 | brlcad | 1.1, 1.2, 1.4 there cover centroids, surface area, and volumes |
| 02:29.43 | crdueck | brlcad: i'll take a look, thanks |
| 02:30.04 | brlcad | a great gsoc project might be to implement all primitives for one of them |
| 02:31.00 | brlcad | a great patch to see how hard the task is might be to try just one of the simplest primitives (arb8, ell, sph, rcc, ..) |
| 02:31.20 | brlcad | some are crazy easy, others are crazy hard |
| 02:32.59 | brlcad | that said, crdueck feel free to introduce yourself on the mailing list and point out two or three of the projects that sound the most interesting to you (among the four you mentioned, the ones I mentioned, or others) |
| 02:33.11 | brlcad | it's easier to go into more detail there |
| 02:33.50 | crdueck | so for example, implementing a primitive surface area function for all primatives would be an elligible gsoc project? |
| 02:33.58 | brlcad | none of the four you mentioned are really math intense -- a couple involve a lot of complex logic, but not math |
| 02:33.59 | crdueck | primitives* |
| 02:34.29 | brlcad | crdueck: anything you propose is an elligible gsoc project |
| 02:34.44 | brlcad | our ideas page are exactly that -- just ideas and only starting ones at that |
| 02:36.35 | crdueck | okay, awesome. i'd like my project to be as math related as possible, i just dont want to choose a project that is too easy (or too difficult). the time estimates on these are less than a few days |
| 02:37.08 | crdueck | and i'll look into joining the mailing list as well |
| 02:37.14 | brlcad | you can make up your own project, you're scoping it to your interests and abilities -- we just evaluate whether 1) it's useful/interesting, 2) we think you can do what you propose doing, 3) you're a potential long-term contributor with interest in BRL-CAD |
| 02:37.42 | brlcad | it's easy to get too difficult -- nurbs surface-surface evaluation would be a hard-math project |
| 02:38.13 | brlcad | you need decent coding skills and strong math to get that one done (unless you're just that good of a coder) |
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| 02:40.16 | brlcad | so those quickies are just a few days each, but there's approximately two-dozen primitives -- so a few days each would still potentially be 24*3=72days |
| 02:40.59 | brlcad | what's worse, it's a range -- some are crazy easy and might just taken an hour to fully implement and validate while others might take a week or more |
| 02:41.59 | brlcad | nash_ag: feel free to discuss here |
| 02:42.20 | crdueck | well, i'm willing to dedicate my summer to this project. I'd love to advance my mathematics knowledge at the same time. |
| 02:43.02 | brlcad | that's good to hear |
| 02:46.37 | crdueck | i've joined the mailing list, i'll make a post once i get a confirmation email |
| 02:46.56 | crdueck | i'll trying implementing a surface area function for 1 primitive as an initial patch |
| 02:52.21 | nash_ag | hi |
| 02:52.56 | nash_ag | i am graduate student currently pursuing masters in networking |
| 02:53.41 | nash_ag | would like to work on networking project specified on gsoc ideas i.e. extension of lib |
| 02:54.01 | brlcad | nash_ag: fantastic timing :) |
| 02:54.12 | nash_ag | thx :) |
| 02:54.13 | brlcad | that's a great project |
| 02:54.17 | brlcad | loves libpkg |
| 02:55.11 | nash_ag | i have done most of my programming projects (mostly related to college simulations) in c++ |
| 02:55.23 | brlcad | so the good news is that the code involved is relatively simple and self-contained in just a couple files |
| 02:55.57 | nash_ag | and it what terms the extension is required |
| 02:55.58 | brlcad | the bad news is your c++ experience probably won't be much help -- it's a very low-level C API |
| 02:56.16 | brlcad | nash_ag: did you read the detailed write-up? |
| 02:56.26 | nash_ag | nop |
| 02:56.26 | brlcad | the title to each project idea links to a page with more details |
| 02:56.40 | nash_ag | kk |
| 02:59.09 | nash_ag | looking at the full requirement set i see tht i only tick of the boxes |
| 02:59.21 | nash_ag | i.e. related to networking familiarity |
| 03:01.21 | nash_ag | i m familiar with C but u said it involves very low-level C API |
| 03:01.40 | nash_ag | would it much of a problem to work with tht |
| 03:06.29 | brlcad | I'd suggest just reading through some of the code to see if you understand it |
| 03:07.00 | brlcad | if your C++ experience is decent, it's basically just a bunch of classless global functions |
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| 03:08.16 | brlcad | if you can make sense of http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/libpkg/tpkg.c then you're probably good to go |
| 03:08.24 | brlcad | if you can't, then "it depends" |
| 03:08.56 | brlcad | still, you scope and propose projects that you feel you can handle, so you can (and should) budget time for learning and testing |
| 03:09.21 | brlcad | the most important aspect is that you be genuinely interested in the project that you're proposaing |
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| 03:17.49 | yukonbob | hello, #brlcad |
| 03:18.51 | brlcad | howdy yukonbob |
| 03:20.14 | yukonbob | hey brlcad |
| 03:20.17 | yukonbob | how's life? |
| 03:21.59 | nash_ag | hey i looked thru the link u sent me, it's manageable i guess i can make out most of the stuff |
| 03:23.23 | nash_ag | so what i have to give in for the proposal if i do apply |
| 03:30.06 | brlcad | nash_ag: all of the details are on our wiki pages |
| 03:30.13 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines is a good starting point |
| 03:30.18 | brlcad | or http://brlcad.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code/Checklist |
| 03:31.07 | brlcad | yukonbob: going great, busy but great ;) |
| 03:31.15 | brlcad | wanders a bit |
| 03:33.15 | crdueck | just curious how long it normally takes to get a confirmation email for the brlcad mailing list |
| 03:33.26 | yukonbob | brlcad: sounds like same old, same old ;) |
| 03:45.10 | starseeker | brlcad: hadn't seen that - not sure it's current for latest trunk |
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| 05:51.05 | yukonbob | hello, #brlcad |
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| 06:22.56 | andrei_ | hello |
| 06:23.37 | yukonbob | :) |
| 06:23.40 | yukonbob | off again. |
| 06:23.43 | yukonbob | nn #brlcad |
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| 11:34.27 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3378 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Project Title */ |
| 11:37.08 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3379 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Brief Summary */ |
| 11:37.35 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3380 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Detailed Description */ |
| 11:37.52 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3381 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Development Schedule */ |
| 11:38.06 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3382 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Time Availability */ |
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| 12:24.08 | andrei_ | Hello |
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| 13:28.23 | pedwards | Hi! My name is Patrick Edwards, and I recently found out about GSoC 2012, and would love to contribute to BRL-CAD |
| 13:30.28 | pedwards | I've been going over the project ideas, and honestly most of them interest me. |
| 13:31.00 | pedwards | The most interesting were the refactoring and bug resolution ideas |
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| 14:30.46 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r49829 10/brlcad/trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt misc/CMake/BRLCAD_Options.cmake): tweak handling of configuration-aware options |
| 14:33.33 | andrei_ | I have analysed the Simian output for a while. I didn't manage to get CheckStyle to work ( I only found how to run it for java, will search deeply) . I was thinking to start my code refactoring with the brl-cad utility library |
| 14:36.12 | andrei_ | so far there are mainly two reasons for this decision : it's the closest one to computer science and it comes up pretty often on Simian output |
| 14:37.49 | andrei_ | can this be a "recommended" first step or is this a viable idea ? |
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| 15:06.52 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3388 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Works done in BRL-CAD */ |
| 15:10.01 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3389 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Introduction */ |
| 15:10.41 | andrei_ | Probably the toughest part of the refactoring is how to test the programs and how to decide corectness. I was thinking of two aspects. |
| 15:12.16 | andrei_ | 1) if problems are P / NP or NP-Complete writing a specific test is possible in polynomial time. I'm not sure how to cover all the cases with it |
| 15:16.21 | andrei_ | 2) I am familiar with a testing technique that uses backtracking to generate tests starting from random number generator .I was thinking about a backtracking with some optimizations like arc-consistency 3 or total prediction . Even so, it s usually slow and it cannot run large tests. If possible I would like to know more opinions regarding the aspects I mentioned. Thank you ! |
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| 15:23.56 | brlcad | hi pedwar11 |
| 15:24.47 | brlcad | pedwar11: there's already been a LOT of interest in the refactoring projects so if they're all interesting to you, I'd recommend focusing on two of the non-refactoring projects |
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| 15:50.59 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3391 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Development schedule */ |
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| 15:55.17 | brlcad | andrei_: it doesn't (usually) need to be so rigorous |
| 15:55.41 | andrei_ | Hmm, I m pretty nervous because : |
| 15:55.45 | brlcad | 50% are fine with some simple manual testing presuming you just move code around and theoretically didn't change anything |
| 15:55.54 | brlcad | if you do change something, you test a little more |
| 15:56.11 | andrei_ | I was having in mind stuff like |
| 15:56.11 | brlcad | an integration test perhaps if it's really risky code |
| 15:56.53 | brlcad | see the src/libbu/test_*.c files for some simple examples |
| 15:57.02 | brlcad | those are mostly unit/function tests |
| 15:57.30 | brlcad | there are higher-level tests in the regress/ directory, but those are really warranted when something will potentially change |
| 15:57.31 | andrei_ | I ve read those as part of my initial patch . |
| 15:57.42 | andrei_ | I had those tests in mind in case I merge functions |
| 15:58.02 | brlcad | probably best to start by just asking |
| 15:58.36 | brlcad | andrei_: this file might offer some suggestions: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Image:CodeCleanup.pdf |
| 15:59.03 | brlcad | it has rough guidelines on when a test is warranted |
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| 16:00.02 | andrei_ | I will have a closer look to it and get back here |
| 16:00.23 | brlcad | "it's the closest one to computer science and it comes up pretty often on Simian output" |
| 16:00.38 | andrei_ | I modified the simian output |
| 16:00.40 | brlcad | it was completely unclear what "it" referes to there |
| 16:00.50 | andrei_ | ah. I apologize |
| 16:00.57 | andrei_ | the BRL-CAD utility library |
| 16:01.05 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3394 10/wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2012/Proposal: /* Proposal ideas */ |
| 16:01.06 | andrei_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.51 | brlcad | I'd be curious what useful code replication there is in libbu .. shouldn't be too much |
| 16:02.57 | andrei_ | that's what I wanted to ask. I took the Simian output, which was far too large to let me get an idea. I wrote a java program to display the top 100 files with the most code duplication lines and then I followed the top values. Read the files themselves and then moved to files in the same directories as the ones displayed by Simian. |
| 16:03.27 | brlcad | the output I saw yesterday wasn't the top 100 files... ;) |
| 16:03.48 | andrei_ | I think I posted less, right? |
| 16:04.06 | brlcad | maybe, but the top of your list only had a few dozen lines or something |
| 16:04.15 | andrei_ | yes |
| 16:04.18 | brlcad | there are files with thousands of lines of duplication |
| 16:04.32 | brlcad | because the files themselves were copied and modified slightly |
| 16:04.43 | andrei_ | hmmm |
| 16:05.07 | brlcad | something is unclear though -- what is wrong with the simian output? |
| 16:05.08 | andrei_ | that means I displayed the duplicated lines of code in each file rather than a global duplication |
| 16:05.15 | andrei_ | well |
| 16:05.27 | andrei_ | it has roughly 200.000 lines |
| 16:05.42 | brlcad | what is "it" again? |
| 16:05.48 | andrei_ | the simian output |
| 16:06.27 | andrei_ | but now that you mentioned that I only have a small number of lines, I figured I must be doing something wrong |
| 16:06.41 | brlcad | simian already produces output sorted by the number of duplicate lines |
| 16:07.14 | andrei_ | Ah. It's clear then. I misused it. |
| 16:07.45 | andrei_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.09 | brlcad | there's a "better" command on the wiki.. :) |
| 16:08.40 | andrei_ | Right. I failed here, thanks a lot for correcting me in time. Sorry about that |
| 16:08.41 | brlcad | that's why you got all of src/other included too -- we don't care about src/other |
| 16:08.48 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Code_Cleanup |
| 16:08.55 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3395 10/wiki/User:Phoenix: /* GSoC 2012 Project */ |
| 16:08.56 | brlcad | rather, http://brlcad.org/wiki/Code_Cleanup#Duplication_Reduction |
| 16:09.22 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3396 10/wiki/User:Phoenix: /* GSoC 2012 Project */ |
| 16:09.29 | brlcad | that first box has a command |
| 16:09.46 | brlcad | put that in a file and you can run it as an sh script |
| 16:10.13 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Phoenix 07http://brlcad.org * r3397 10/wiki/User:Phoenix: /* GSoC 2012 Project */ |
| 16:10.51 | andrei_ | Now it makes a lot more sense. Lots of thanks! |
| 16:11.18 | andrei_ | I should have figured out that the numbers I had were utopic. |
| 16:11.51 | andrei_ | Anyhow, thanks again, I ll get back to work :) |
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| 16:32.17 | brlcad | you're welcome |
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| 16:56.03 | Neil___ | brlcad: Hi. I uploaded a brief architecture diagram for the materials db website here: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Image:Arch_diagram.pdf Is it something like what you had in mind? |
| 16:59.14 | Neil___ | I am also preparing a basic flow of the website, along with a timeline |
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| 17:46.28 | brlcad | Neil___: sort of |
| 17:46.52 | brlcad | I guess I'd want to know what data is where with more specificity |
| 17:47.05 | brlcad | what data is in the database |
| 17:47.15 | brlcad | what files are on disk |
| 17:47.25 | brlcad | are there queue folders for processing? |
| 17:48.33 | brlcad | if you're generating xml on the fly, where's it pulling data from .. is there caching? |
| 17:48.37 | brlcad | etc etc |
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| 18:03.19 | andrei_ | how and where should I run the shell script with Simian? I keep getting an error |
| 18:03.42 | andrei_ | find: invalid expression; I was expecting to find a ')' somewhere but did not see one. |
| 18:03.44 | andrei_ | ./find.sh: 14: -o: not found |
| 18:03.45 | andrei_ | ./find.sh: 14: -o: not found |
| 18:04.29 | andrei_ | I thought it needs the path to where the brlcad source is, but it doesn't work with that |
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| 18:29.34 | Neil__ | brlcad: ah I see. I'll try to make it as detailed as possible. Thanks for the input. |
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| 18:42.12 | ``Erik | http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/tracing-rays-through-the-cloud/ |
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| 19:05.59 | Al_Da_Best | Cloud computing is cool, I'm just worried about lack of bandwidth currently |
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| 19:31.40 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r49832 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Fixed a typo in ArcherCore::pushZClipSettings. |
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| 21:17.58 | crdueck | where can i find the definition of rt_db_internal that is used in all the primitives? |
| 21:19.28 | bhinesley | include/raytrace.h |
| 21:19.35 | crdueck | bhinesley: thanks |
| 21:20.05 | bhinesley | np. try using ctags; all I did was type 'vi -t rt_db_internal' |
| 21:21.10 | crdueck | ahh, i just realized that my ctags were generated from src/ not the entire tree. no wonder i couldnt find it... |
| 21:21.36 | bhinesley | ah :) |
| 21:29.43 | andrei_ | why did the logs stop displaying from March 27 ? |
| 21:30.05 | andrei_ | ah , nevermind, probably timezone. |
| 23:53.49 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r49833 10/brlcad/trunk/ (12 files in 12 dirs): |
| 23:53.49 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: Don't need both BRLCAD_ADDFILE and BRLCAD_ADDDATA - make BRLCAD_ADDDATA capable |
| 23:53.49 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: of handling multiple input types and nuke BRLCAD_ADDFILE. While we're at it, |
| 23:53.49 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: make the target name generation for copy rules involving long file strings more |
| 23:53.49 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: robust by falling back on the md5 sum of the string. |