01:01.35 |
brlcad |
hah, nice relevant comment on the gsoc mailing
list from one of the wikimedia folks relevant to that thing I keep
telling you, starseeker :) |
01:01.57 |
brlcad |
speaking about one of the reasons for "release
early, release often" |
01:02.05 |
brlcad |
she says "nothing is ever DONE, it is just
DUE" |
01:02.07 |
brlcad |
so true ;) |
01:03.34 |
andrei |
hey brlcad |
01:04.13 |
andrei |
did you have any chance to look upon my
proposal draft? |
01:04.27 |
andrei |
as in the latest one |
01:05.25 |
brlcad |
heh |
01:06.13 |
brlcad |
there's no way I could keep track of every
revision of everyone's proposal ;) |
01:06.34 |
brlcad |
so probably not, but they do all get read in
waves |
01:06.50 |
brlcad |
once or twice before the deadline if there's
enough time |
01:08.06 |
andrei |
I know there are enough things to do aside of
reading proposals |
01:08.16 |
brlcad |
if you take the feedback I gave earlier to
heart and make sure you've addressed every comment and double-check
the detail you're providing, your timeline, our guidelines, etc ..
then you'll be fine |
01:09.04 |
brlcad |
andrei: I'm certainly not the only one to read
them too, just so you know -- I'm just the chatty one more likely
to respond before the deadline |
01:10.51 |
andrei |
I know it takes time to be discussed and such
, but may I ask how are my chances of getting accepted ? |
01:11.58 |
brlcad |
you can always ask |
01:13.37 |
andrei |
from your point of view, how are my chances of
getting accepted with BRL-CAD? |
01:14.24 |
brlcad |
well, greater than 0% |
01:14.29 |
brlcad |
less than 100% |
01:14.38 |
brlcad |
you can always ask, but that doesn't mean
you'll get a useful answer :) |
01:16.00 |
brlcad |
there's frankly no way to actually know what
your chances are because we don't yet have the final count of
submissions and slot allocations from google |
01:17.28 |
brlcad |
generally speaking, your chances are fantastic
just by applying to brl-cad (compared to, say, gentoo) ... if you
put good effort into your proposal, stay engaged and express
ongoing interest, and keep involved in discussions/coding then
chances are even further increased |
01:18.17 |
brlcad |
that's probably not a satisfying answer, but
that's as good as it gets for gsoc .. super competitive program
means it's outright not possible to accept all of the fantastic
students that step forward |
01:19.58 |
andrei |
This probably is the normal way things go in
real life |
01:20.01 |
andrei |
I m just new to it :) |
01:20.42 |
andrei |
also, after 6th of april am I still allowed to
submit patches( for example solutions to small duplications) ? if
so, just out of curiosity , do they matter at all for the
application? |
01:24.46 |
brlcad |
it's open source |
01:25.04 |
brlcad |
you can keep submitting patches until the day
aliens suck you up to their mothership |
01:25.28 |
andrei |
that's good to know |
01:26.06 |
andrei |
by the way, I m sorry for the previous
questions. Probably it's not very pleasant to get asked those
questions plenty of times each year |
01:26.14 |
brlcad |
patches help show your interest in the project
and interest in contributing to open source, so certainly they can
help -- as long as they're good patches |
01:26.46 |
brlcad |
patches that take longer to review and comment
on than they took to write aren't so helpful |
01:26.58 |
brlcad |
that's why it's good to review your patches
before you submit them to make sure they're golden |
01:27.17 |
brlcad |
they should be easy to review, apply cleanly,
and provide a clear improvement |
01:29.56 |
andrei |
I m trying to keep a balance between focusing
on my studies and focusing on open source development. I enjoy
working on open source, but without certain knowledge and
guidelines from courses I would be useless , even as eager as I
am. |
01:31.54 |
andrei |
I find it very easy to go too much in one of
the mentioned directions. |
02:48.08 |
starseeker |
actually, after the aliens get you too if the
mothership has good bandwidth :-P |
02:50.03 |
starseeker |
brlcad: yeah, yeah :-P I'm not after "done",
just "no known open issues" |
02:59.46 |
brlcad |
those two aren't far from each other
;) |
03:01.29 |
brlcad |
"no actualized problems remaining" might be
easier to satisfy |
03:02.07 |
starseeker |
fair enough |
03:03.48 |
starseeker |
supposes "no known open
issues" and "we support FreeBSD" are pretty much incompatible -
right ``Erik :-P |
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Stattrav |
brlcad: for secure http submissions, will
sending a confirm link to the user upon submission make it tedious
w.r.t usability ? |
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matovitch |
hey |
08:58.55 |
brlcad |
hello |
09:02.41 |
Neil__ |
brlcad: Hi Sean! For the materials database,
I've prepared a mock-up of about 5 different webpages, prepared an
initial sql schema and submitted a bit of code. Anything else I can
do for the patch? |
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11:13.18 |
``Erik |
starseeker: 'support' is an awfully loose
concept, all it really means is 'not summarily ignored' (and fbsd
support is typically pretty good, I'd imagine there are linux
variants that have a harder time right now) |
11:14.12 |
``Erik |
starseeker: we 'support' osX, even though that
step generator crash has been lingering there for a bit...
:D |
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12:47.01 |
Bumerang |
Hello! I'm interested in applying for the GSoC
project "Consolidate image processing" and my question is - Is this
topic already taken (or it's being communicated with other
student)? Thanks for reply |
12:50.16 |
brlcad |
Bumerang: there's no such thing as
"taken" |
12:51.07 |
brlcad |
I don't recall if someone is working on a
proposal for that topic, so you're on fairly equal ground (i.e.,
submit it!) |
12:53.47 |
Bumerang |
Thanks again |
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13:18.23 |
starseeker |
Ooo - Qt 5 hit Alpha |
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andrei |
hello |
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10/brlcad/trunk/ (bench/run.sh misc/CMake/distclean.cmake.in):
sweep up the benchmark outputs too when doing distclean |
15:27.10 |
brlcad |
mm, good catch |
15:27.30 |
brlcad |
that's user-visible |
15:29.20 |
brlcad |
starseeker, I'm conflicted as to whether
distclean should touch the summary file -- historically, that's a
no-no |
15:29.47 |
brlcad |
for consistency, it might just be better to
print a message saying that one exists and it must be manually
removed |
15:33.14 |
brlcad |
or keep track of whether one existed before
running the benchmark, then it could be deleted if distcheck
created it |
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BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r49910
10/brlcad/trunk/regress/CMakeLists.txt: Teach the regress build
target how to clean up after itself |
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dir var |
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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r49912
10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: get a
const address before calling rt_metaball_point_value() so we can
avoid a bug in older versions of gcc where it doesn't pick up on
the const cast. |
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17:17.01 |
brlcad |
lot of "set but not used" warnings in
src/conv/step |
17:19.32 |
andrei |
brlcad : I chose the refactor plan by taking
the larger ones first , then the ones that appear more than others
however I intend to add an exception . When a considerable number
of files in a directory have duplicated lines, and the total is
above a certain value I intend to rework the whole
directory |
17:19.38 |
andrei |
does this approach seem realistic? |
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17:23.22 |
andrei |
also , should I add a "debug" method in my
proposal? the one I suggest is probably trivial ( using printfs at
key points) but gdb doesn't seem viable for this as there are
plenty of files that depend on others. |
17:24.59 |
bhinesley |
I'm going to have to pull out of the race,
guys. |
17:25.16 |
bhinesley |
my classes this quarter are going to require
more time than I though |
17:25.28 |
Al_Da_Best |
:( |
17:25.32 |
bhinesley |
... which runs over the first 3-4 weeks of
gsoc |
17:25.55 |
bhinesley |
Al_Da_Best: indeed :( |
17:27.01 |
andrei |
best of luck with those , bhinesley |
17:27.28 |
bhinesley |
andrei: thank you, gl with gsoc |
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17:27.47 |
andrei |
thank you aswell! Also, thank you for the help
provided ! |
17:28.02 |
bhinesley |
not a problem; I will still be here |
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ksuzee |
<brlcad>Hello, Sean! Are you
here? |
18:08.45 |
brlcad |
hi ksuzee |
18:09.30 |
brlcad |
andrei: sure that's realistic |
18:09.39 |
brlcad |
the point was to just have a specific approach
in mind |
18:09.56 |
brlcad |
then have some specific ones identified so we
can measure your progress |
18:10.31 |
brlcad |
i'm not sure what you mean by debug
method |
18:10.51 |
ksuzee |
I need some your help)) You've told, that my
example of code in the proposal is bad |
18:11.11 |
ksuzee |
And told to write you about it here |
18:12.26 |
brlcad |
so yeah, that was a curious example to
select |
18:13.16 |
brlcad |
in that particular instance, those functions
are surrogates for standard library functions |
18:13.39 |
ksuzee |
aaa |
18:13.48 |
ksuzee |
so they couldn't be changed? |
18:13.54 |
brlcad |
they are intentionally attempting to be a
replacement for an already-defined function, so their signature
should not change |
18:14.36 |
ksuzee |
I unerstand now |
18:14.47 |
brlcad |
moreover, they all behave in subtlely
different ways and my initial read of your refactoring didn't
handle all of the cases and behaviors that it was
replacing |
18:15.23 |
brlcad |
it was good to identify an example like that,
just not that one ;) |
18:17.46 |
ksuzee |
Ok, I understand your advise))) So, it's
better to give as an example smth like that, but not with this
functions? |
18:18.22 |
brlcad |
yeah |
18:18.46 |
brlcad |
how did you arrive at that example? |
18:18.55 |
brlcad |
it came up in a simian report? |
18:19.09 |
ksuzee |
yeah |
18:19.45 |
ksuzee |
in the same thread with other code like
"copy-pasts" |
18:20.32 |
brlcad |
interesting, because those are very very short
functions |
18:20.46 |
brlcad |
there's bigger duplication than that |
18:21.45 |
andrei |
brlcad: what I meant by debug is |
18:22.11 |
andrei |
if the function that I rewrote sends sigserv
for example |
18:22.22 |
ksuzee |
I know))) But I tryed ti find smth really
small only as an example) |
18:22.43 |
andrei |
there has to be a way to step by step the
function and see why it breaks down |
18:23.40 |
andrei |
for example, if I would rewrite malloc and it
only segfaults on a single call |
18:23.59 |
andrei |
but that call is included in a much larger
function |
18:24.07 |
andrei |
I m not sure how to use gdb to see
this |
18:29.01 |
ksuzee |
So, I understand you)) Thank a lot for help.
I'll write when I find a better example |
18:29.02 |
brlcad |
isn't familiar with segserv,
maybe you mean sigsegv? :) |
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18:33.28 |
andrei |
ah, fail |
18:33.34 |
andrei |
sigsegv |
18:43.28 |
brlcad |
that's a pretty easy debug case
actually |
18:43.34 |
brlcad |
gdb will halt where it crashes |
18:43.46 |
brlcad |
catching the signal |
18:44.11 |
brlcad |
still, that doesn't need to be part of the
proposal other than to say that you intend to test and discuss your
changes |
18:44.29 |
brlcad |
and debug them if an issue arises, or revert
the change |
18:44.37 |
andrei |
ah, alright it's ok then |
18:44.51 |
andrei |
also ,another thing that came into my mind
recently |
18:46.13 |
andrei |
I m about to change the proposal a bit in
order to be easier understood even if you have no connection with
it(i.e. add links to the concepts etc) . Should I do
that? |
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brlcad |
sure |
19:01.19 |
Neil__ |
brlcad: Hi Sean! For the materials database,
I've prepared a mock-up of about 5 different webpages, prepared an
initial sql schema and submitted a bit of code. Anything else I can
do for the patch? |
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``Erik |
brlcad: regress/vls fails on 32b (%lld) and I
have some concerns about the approach, I'd argue that the 'ground
truth' results should be static strings, not generated from
snprintf() |
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kane_ |
Hi brlcad team, i am Mesut from germany, i am
here to introduce myself for the gSoC. |
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brlcad |
hello kane_ |
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brlcad |
welcome! |
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BRL-CAD: 03Mesut 07http://brlcad.org * r3477
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20:38.33 |
kane_ |
Hi |
20:38.49 |
kane_ |
i have postet my proposal on the wiki
^^^ |
20:39.32 |
kane_ |
i hope your enjoying reading it :) |
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20:52.50 |
brlcad |
kane_: awesome, thanks! |
20:53.06 |
brlcad |
kane_: please also submit it to google-melange
if you've not done so already |
20:53.27 |
brlcad |
if you're on irc when I read it (which I have
no idea when that might be), I'll certainly give you
feedback |
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kane_ |
Thank you! I have posted it on gSoC and sent
it through the mailer. Only posting a patch left :)... |
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Stattrav |
so choice of mediawiki is soley based upon the
fact that brlcad.org already uses it and a seperate web service is
a pain to maintain in a long run. |
22:14.12 |
Stattrav |
I've elaborated it a bit more in both the
proposal and the email. |
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