IRC log for #brlcad on 20120423

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15:04.44 *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD release 7.22.0 is forthcoming (eta: end of March) || BRL-CAD has applied to participate in GSoC 2012!
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15:18.11 CIA-128 BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r50200 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/misc/CMake/BRLCAD_CompilerFlags.cmake: Add the Wno-variadic-macros check to STABLE
16:50.48 CIA-128 BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r50201 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/tgms/ars.cg: add a new comgeom target to test a specific comgeom-g failure discovered by a user
16:52.09 CIA-128 BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r50202 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/comgeom.sh: modify comgeom-g test to use new tgm for a known target ars failure
16:53.14 CIA-128 BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r50203 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/comgeom/solid.c: do not release ars curve memory memory unless there has been a mk_ars failure
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18:34.35 andrei_ hello :)
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18:56.51 Stattrav brlcad: thanks
18:57.16 Stattrav shall get in touch with you tomorrow post the exam.
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19:20.22 cristina hello
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19:32.25 crdueck hello all
19:34.31 *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || Congratulations to our 11 accepted GSoC students!!
19:36.35 brlcad howdy crdueck, andrei_, Stattrav, others
19:38.00 Stattrav brlcad: hey as it turns out you are not the mentor :)
19:38.10 Stattrav i thought you were
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19:39.21 crdueck is mentor info on the google-melange site? i'm waiting for the traffic to die down before i try it again
19:39.45 andrei_ indeed the traffic is almost dos-ing the page
19:40.02 Stattrav crdueck: the site is back up
19:43.01 starseeker growls and puts on his debugging hat - r48553 introduced some sort of problem into rtedge when -c "set oo=all.g/component" is fed as an option...
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19:50.01 kane_ Hi
19:56.33 Al_Da_Best 11, certainly aiming big :o Thanks :)
19:59.24 cristina thank you for the acceptance and congrats to everyone!
20:05.56 kane_ It's great to be a part of brlcad. Thank you for this opportunity!
20:08.45 brlcad Stattrave: this goes for all projects -- the listed mentor is only the person that evaluates your progress
20:09.05 brlcad the technical guidance and mentoring is done by all developers here and on the mailing list
20:09.36 brlcad the listed mentor tracks your progress and makes sure you're working (since they're the ones that might fail you from the program)
20:10.59 andrei_ Thank you for the opportunity of participating in GSoC 2012. Also, congratulations to everyone!
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20:29.47 brlcad starseeker: 48553? really?
20:31.12 starseeker yeah... binary tested and narrowed it down to that
20:31.50 brlcad that's a bit surprising, that should have been logically equivalent
20:32.01 brlcad do you have a stack trace?
20:32.19 brlcad is it crashing or just changed behavior?
20:32.24 starseeker changing behavior
20:32.35 starseeker hang on - I'll put together a pastebin with what I'm seeing
20:34.39 kane__ ehm, Daniel what is you irc nickname?
20:35.11 brlcad that's odd, rtedge doesn't perform any mappedfile code dire\ctly
20:36.28 brlcad I would have expected the tests to fail
20:37.36 starseeker crud
20:37.44 starseeker hang on, may have had some static files lingering
20:38.55 stas_ hey guys congrats for accepted students, cristina and andrei_ keep it up! :)
20:39.24 andrei_ thank you stas_!
20:39.45 cristina thanks, stas_ :)
20:40.02 brlcad kane__: daniel is usually d_rossberg here but he's on vacation at the moment
20:40.18 brlcad ~seen d_rossberg
20:40.34 ibot d_rossberg <~rossberg@BZ.BZFLAG.BZ> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 11d 3h 18m 33s ago, saying: 'they told me at 5 that they won't come today but tomorrow :('.
20:40.34 kane__ oh ok thank you.
20:41.10 brlcad ah, not entirely true .. last *spoke* 11 days ago, but was just online a couple hours ago
20:41.13 brlcad 11:39 -!- d_rossberg [~rossberg@BZ.BZFLAG.BZ] has quit [Quit: leaving
20:41.48 kane__ than i will speak with him about our daily meetings if he is back.
20:41.50 brlcad kane__: keep in mind that your listed mentor is just for evaluating progress, not necessarily for technical direction
20:41.56 brlcad we do group mentoring as much possible
20:42.49 starseeker yeah, that was it... was able to flip the change on and off: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1591647
20:43.15 starseeker note the db_lookup failure in 48553
20:44.14 kane__ brlcad: but we have to report our daily work to our mentor?
20:45.24 starseeker kane__: which proposal was yours?
20:49.14 brlcad <PROTECTED>
20:49.41 starseeker appreciate it - it's a kink in the rtwizard work at the moment...
20:50.09 brlcad kane__: yes, but you're reporting your activity to all developers, not just your assigned mentor
20:51.05 brlcad what you'll coordinate with your assigned mentor are any vacations/holidays or unanticipated leave
20:53.29 brlcad if you disappear for more than two days, especially if it's not over a weekend, they should know why
20:56.00 brlcad kane__: I recommend keeping an irc conneted all the time
20:56.10 brlcad screen+irssi ftw
20:56.44 brlcad even if you're not "here" and your IRC client is, we can respond to you and you can read the response whenever you get back
20:58.15 brlcad kane__: so the most pressing issue for you is to start working on patches, getting them reviewed, so you can get commit access established
21:04.52 brlcad that's really the most pressing issue for most students, actually, and getting familiarized with BRL-CAD tools
21:05.31 brlcad starseeker: he's the display manager
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21:11.51 brlcad hello Neil___
21:12.12 Neil___ hi Sean!
21:12.39 Neil___ 11 to BRL-CAD?
21:12.44 brlcad congratulations (I hope) :)
21:13.01 brlcad yeah, we gave a few back
21:13.11 Neil___ oh, but that's brilliant!
21:13.19 Neil___ and yeah, I got into NRNB :)
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21:41.12 CIA-128 BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r50204 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/ (CMakeLists.txt comgeom.sh tgms/ars.cg tgms/cgtest.cg): replace ars.cg with a comgeom tgm that has all primitives recognized by vdeck for a more robust comgeom-g conversion test
21:44.23 Stattrav oh I get it :)
21:45.05 Stattrav aah I use irccloud :)
21:45.23 Stattrav btw congratulations to the rest of the participants as well.
21:45.50 Al_Da_Best Likewise :)
21:48.47 cristina thank you Stattrav, congratulations to you as well
21:49.59 brlcad Neil___: you would have certainly had more fun working on BRL-CAD and reached a much wider audience, but hope you have a good time with NRNB regardless</joke> :D
21:51.00 brlcad Stattrav: ah, that's good
21:51.05 Stattrav brlcad: my assigned mentor is on the irc as well ?
21:51.27 brlcad not that I'm aware of, so you should use the mailing list
21:51.36 brlcad or here of course
21:51.58 Stattrav <joke> eitherway the mentors could add the participants to their google latitude to keep track of them ;) </joke>
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21:53.58 brlcad Neil_: crdueck: andrei_: cristina: Al_Da_Best: Stattrav: I'll be sending out an e-mail later today or tomorrow, but the next steps are to 1) compile & install BRL-CAD, 2) become familiar with the basics of code your project interacts with, and 3) obtain commit access
21:54.32 brlcad more specifically documented on the checklist: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code/Checklist
21:55.39 brlcad spread the word to your fellow gsocers and help each other as you become familiarized, ask questions
21:55.42 Neil_ brlcad: wrt the "joke" - haha, well I'm sure I would have. Hopefully next time :) But I definitely want to contribute and will try my best over the summer.
21:56.32 brlcad cool
21:57.40 Stattrav part 1 done.
21:57.55 Al_Da_Best brlcad: Sounds good. Can I ask how many slots BRL-CAD originally got, just out of interest?
21:58.16 Stattrav Need to talk *a lot* to you folks about the rest of them though
21:59.05 Stattrav eitherway, got to get back to sleep.
21:59.50 brlcad Al_Da_Best: you can ask, but it's not really relevant
21:59.52 brlcad as an experienced returning org, we got what we asked for
22:00.08 cristina brlcad: ok. 1) has to be redone in my case and to get starrted on the other 2 steps
22:00.21 Al_Da_Best Fair enough
22:00.29 brlcad we have a pretty good handle on how many good proposals we received, how much mentoring resources you all are going to drain, etc ;)
22:01.02 brlcad so we accepted fewer than we have capacity for, though not by too much
22:01.33 brlcad we were able to accept everyone that clearly made a good effort on their proposal (plus a couple that will need to step up their game)
22:02.00 brlcad cristina: yep, you're not alone -- there are several that reliaed on the vm disk image
22:02.43 brlcad nothing wrong with that actually, you could use that all summer but it's generally recommended to go through the full build for your own environment just to become familiar with everything more intimately
22:02.46 Al_Da_Best Glad to hear it :) I'll check my compile tomorrow, I did get it sorted through VS2010 though
22:02.56 brlcad we did a lot of stuff for everyone in the VM image setup-wise
22:03.11 cristina brlcad: I started first with the compiled and installed BRL-CAD but after a few weeks I kept getting an error that I couldn't resolve. I'll look into it and see what I can do.
22:03.43 brlcad if any of you run into build problems -- investigate and see if you can fix it, that's a perfect succinct patch submission and will get you one step closer to #3's commit access
22:04.07 Stattrav So, one could actually note all the non-trivial points where the compilation fails and put it up on the wiki (mostly dependancy fails)
22:04.28 Stattrav atleast that is what I've experienced
22:05.03 brlcad Stattrav: so with dependency failures there's a couple things to note
22:05.08 brlcad or at least questions to ask
22:05.15 brlcad 1) is it a required dependency?
22:05.28 brlcad if it's not, the build shouldn't have gotten as far as it did
22:06.16 brlcad if it's not technically required but assumed and recommended, maybe cmake should make that more clear (or test for it)
22:06.19 Stattrav Eitherway, I plan on reinstalling my entire machine once ubuntu 12.04 gets released. Feels odd going from Gentoo -> Debian -> Ubuntu. Things one has to do for out of the box powermanagement
22:06.25 Stattrav aah yes
22:06.42 brlcad 2) is it documented? required and recommended packages should be documented (doc/README.Linux for example)
22:06.54 Stattrav sure I could take this up if that be the case
22:07.07 brlcad in almost all cases, it's not required
22:07.12 Stattrav I could do that this weekend once I am done with all the cases
22:07.21 Stattrav s/cases/exams/
22:07.37 brlcad for example, we "should" build just fine even if you had no X11 installed ... but that very VERY rarely gets tested so it's sometimes not working
22:08.06 brlcad still, you want X11 too, so cmake should test for it and the libs it's expecting (like libXi, libXt) and be very noisy when they're not found
22:08.17 Stattrav yup
22:08.53 brlcad a good way to test it is to take a fresh checkout, move your X11.h system header and try to build .. see if it succeeds (it should) and fix wherever it's broken
22:09.19 brlcad then do the same with a fresh build where X11.h is properly there, but Xi.h isn't or libXi.so isn't etc
22:09.26 Stattrav yup
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22:09.46 brlcad again, fixing any issues or warnings that need to be issued, but letting the build proceed without a *build* failure
22:09.49 Stattrav I remember installing X11 libs when the compilation failed but did not investigate it closely
22:10.07 brlcad no reason the build should fail except for maybe no compiler or no libc ;)
22:10.13 Stattrav yup
22:11.18 Stattrav now that happens to be my warm up job eh ? I shall be on it towards 29th and 30th
22:13.01 brlcad it's a good place to start
22:14.20 brlcad most build system failures are "basic understanding" of how compilation and linkage work -- one just has to learn how certain build properties are being defined (which in our case is CMake macros/logic)
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23:02.40 starseeker brlcad: were you able to reproduce the rtedge issue?
23:06.40 starseeker Al_Da_Best: you compiled BRL-CAD using VS2010?
23:59.35 CIA-128 BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r50205 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/comgeom/solid.c: ws

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