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brlcad |
andrei: question answered? |
00:31.18 |
kanzure |
``Erik: there's also lots of other webgl cad
things to look at, like csg.js openjscad shapesmith/bjnortier
etc. |
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brlcad |
hello jbschw |
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01:17.51 |
brlcad |
hello again jbschw |
01:18.03 |
jbschw |
hello |
01:18.42 |
brlcad |
what brings you to #brlcad |
01:20.38 |
kanzure |
holy ccrap |
01:20.40 |
kanzure |
brlcad: http://stepcode.org/ |
01:21.48 |
kanzure |
brlcad: i don't even know what to say. that's
quite a thing. |
01:23.24 |
CIA-124 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r50459
10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
01:23.24 |
CIA-124 |
BRL-CAD: bob made a change to the way libbu
parses argv array elements to allow escaping |
01:23.24 |
CIA-124 |
BRL-CAD: of quoted strings. this fixes a
problem one would encounter if you used |
01:23.24 |
CIA-124 |
BRL-CAD: rtwizard and it tried to feed
multiple occlusion objects to rtwizard. now they |
01:23.24 |
CIA-124 |
BRL-CAD: parse and occlude
correctly. |
01:23.27 |
kanzure |
i understand that we can't all be web
developer wizards but uh.. |
01:24.13 |
kanzure |
does this mean i should donate my
time? |
01:25.31 |
brlcad |
kanzure: you mean you love it so much that you
want to help, right? |
01:25.43 |
kanzure |
not quite |
01:26.03 |
kanzure |
what? |
01:26.07 |
brlcad |
kanzure: I know all about it, mark (and drupal
7) is part of the reason for the php upgrade |
01:26.29 |
kanzure |
imho php is not a good choice for someone who
isn't a web developer (and probably not a good choice for most web
developers :P) |
01:26.52 |
brlcad |
I'm pretty sure that page was just to throw
something up instead of a dead url |
01:27.03 |
kanzure |
are you hosting stepcode.org? |
01:27.16 |
brlcad |
it's just a static html page (or was at
least) |
01:27.39 |
kanzure |
my immediate recommendations are to get rid of
the background image and centering if he wants this to be taken
seriously |
01:27.39 |
brlcad |
yes |
01:28.14 |
kanzure |
i really doubt that distributing source code
in the form of screenshots is a good strategy |
01:28.14 |
brlcad |
again, I'm pretty certain that's really not
meant to be the site or even a concept design for the
site |
01:29.54 |
kanzure |
"Under Construction" has been off-limits since
199x |
01:30.26 |
brlcad |
I'd stubbed in a simple
<html><body><h1>STEPcode</h1><p>...</p><p>...</p></body></html>
when I added his web root and he just thought even the stub needed
an image (and apparently a couple center tags since it would have
been unreadable on top of each other) |
01:30.44 |
brlcad |
harmless |
01:30.53 |
kanzure |
the text appears on top of the image |
01:31.11 |
brlcad |
not as bad as it would have been with the
default left-alignment ;) |
01:31.24 |
kanzure |
oh man :( i'm gonna go crawl under a
rock |
01:31.40 |
kanzure |
it should just redirect to the github repo
with a giant README or something |
01:31.42 |
brlcad |
still, he's not designing the site --
undoubtedly just playing around |
01:31.46 |
louipc |
kanzure: patches welcome :P |
01:32.04 |
kanzure |
louipc: are you mark? |
01:32.07 |
louipc |
nah |
01:32.57 |
brlcad |
he did spend a couple hours fighting a drupal
install (which I admit, they totally screwed up in their latest
release) |
01:33.17 |
brlcad |
I've done a half dozen installs elsewhere, all
smooth, but never on the 7 line .. where they changed quite a
bit |
01:33.28 |
brlcad |
apparently with testing as an
afterthought |
01:33.32 |
kanzure |
is brlcad.org also drupal? |
01:33.39 |
brlcad |
portions |
01:33.49 |
brlcad |
again, also not designed, that was a
freebie |
01:35.02 |
brlcad |
freebie as in I posted a call for an open
source webmasterwith a simple concept design prototype layout,
someone stepped forward and worked on it for a few months to it's
current state |
01:35.14 |
brlcad |
worked good enough, but now it's more than
tired and needs to be retired |
01:35.46 |
brlcad |
never did reach the prototype.. :) |
01:35.47 |
kanzure |
brlcad.org's stylesheet seems ok, you just
want to avoid the geocities look |
01:36.04 |
kanzure |
sorry, what? a few months? |
01:36.19 |
brlcad |
we at least DID have a style guide beforehand
with a color scheme palette defined |
01:36.39 |
brlcad |
there's more there than meets the
eye |
01:36.55 |
brlcad |
it's a single unified css theme that applies
cleanly to drupal and mediawiki |
01:37.00 |
kanzure |
a few months for the stlyesheet, or the whole
drupal configuration? |
01:37.08 |
kanzure |
right |
01:37.22 |
kanzure |
s/stlye/style |
01:37.23 |
brlcad |
whole thing, style, config, ldap, modules,
navi, etc |
01:37.40 |
kanzure |
pardon my untrained eye but where is ldap
used |
01:37.56 |
brlcad |
most of it was spent trying to get ldap to
interact for single auth, but that was ultimately a bust for his
skills |
01:38.54 |
kanzure |
i see |
01:39.17 |
brlcad |
set up properly, you would have logged in
anywhere on the site and had proper permissions even though
different systems were catering to different capabilities |
01:39.32 |
kanzure |
shared sessions between mediawiki and drupal?
:/ |
01:39.38 |
brlcad |
drupal sucks at wiki, media sucks at static
content |
01:39.50 |
brlcad |
yeah, basically |
01:40.11 |
kanzure |
i personally dislike both of those products,
but everyone else hates ikiwiki |
01:40.38 |
kanzure |
oh interesting.. didn't know ikiwiki supported
svn |
01:41.04 |
brlcad |
I'm a fan of their momentum as a framework,
and to date they've been relatively maintenance free to keep
running across several years |
01:41.16 |
brlcad |
from a users perspective, hard to beat mw
simplicity |
01:41.25 |
kanzure |
really? i find that i have to fight spam on
mediawiki often (either with akismet plugins or whatever) |
01:42.15 |
brlcad |
we'd tackled that problem in the bzflag
community years ago |
01:42.46 |
brlcad |
you can really minimize spam to a bare minimum
if you set up all the spam prevention bells and whistles .. even
while still allowing anonymous everywhere |
01:42.59 |
brlcad |
which I've always been adament about |
01:43.44 |
brlcad |
you can see it in the updates that post here,
wiki spam is exceedingly rare .. maybe a couple a month and that's
not for lack of attention/attempts/popularity |
01:44.24 |
kanzure |
i think even git-wiki resorts to using a
mediawiki-similar stylesheet because users seem to prefer it so
strongly :/ |
01:44.51 |
brlcad |
I don't care so much about the stylesheet as
the wiki syntax itself |
01:45.07 |
brlcad |
NeverWasAFan! |
01:45.21 |
kanzure |
mediawiki's wikitext is very hard to parse or
compute with :/ |
01:45.33 |
kanzure |
what do they call it? sorry it's not
wikitext.. it's uh.. |
01:45.39 |
brlcad |
which is probably why it's the easiest for
users to actually .. use :) |
01:48.37 |
brlcad |
bz had two wikis -- a mw install and a
moinmoin .. we could get minors (seriously, single-digit aged) to
edit one of them .. but not the other |
01:49.02 |
brlcad |
finally took it out back and shot it after a
few years |
01:49.11 |
kanzure |
are bzflag's users mostly minors? |
01:49.27 |
brlcad |
no |
01:49.30 |
brlcad |
whole gamut |
01:49.48 |
brlcad |
definitely a large percentage,
though |
01:53.18 |
brlcad |
starseeker: heh, I just read 50442 ... I'm not
sure that actually increased robustness at all really... |
01:54.16 |
brlcad |
need some sort of encode/decode function.. +
was just one of probably a couple dozen characters that could screw
with the variable name |
01:54.39 |
brlcad |
i thought you handled it better somewhere else
I recall coming across (you did something similar to what the
autotools guys did) |
01:55.11 |
brlcad |
replacing [^[alnum]] with _'s iirc |
01:55.40 |
brlcad |
(i.e., replacing all "not letter or numbers"
with an underscore) |
01:56.06 |
brlcad |
when going into a variable's name, that
is |
02:02.04 |
crdueck |
brlcad: correspondance with our mentor should
be done over the mailing list, right? |
02:51.12 |
brlcad |
crdueck: correct -- because in general you
have LOTS of mentors there and here |
02:51.57 |
brlcad |
unless you have a non-coding matter to discuss
like your dog died or you cut off your fingers |
02:52.20 |
brlcad |
you can keep personal matters private,
naturally, e-mail your assigned mentor directly for that and cc
me |
02:59.09 |
crdueck |
okay, i'm going to put an email out shortly
then |
03:14.21 |
kanzure |
hrmm i strongly recommend against cutting off
your fingers |
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brlcad |
crdueck: excellent write-up, thank
you! |