IRC log for #brlcad on 20120508

00:08.58 brlcad andrei: question answered?
00:31.18 kanzure ``Erik: there's also lots of other webgl cad things to look at, like csg.js openjscad shapesmith/bjnortier etc.
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01:05.08 brlcad hello jbschw
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01:17.51 brlcad hello again jbschw
01:18.03 jbschw hello
01:18.42 brlcad what brings you to #brlcad
01:20.38 kanzure holy ccrap
01:20.40 kanzure brlcad: http://stepcode.org/
01:21.48 kanzure brlcad: i don't even know what to say. that's quite a thing.
01:23.24 CIA-124 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r50459 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS:
01:23.24 CIA-124 BRL-CAD: bob made a change to the way libbu parses argv array elements to allow escaping
01:23.24 CIA-124 BRL-CAD: of quoted strings. this fixes a problem one would encounter if you used
01:23.24 CIA-124 BRL-CAD: rtwizard and it tried to feed multiple occlusion objects to rtwizard. now they
01:23.24 CIA-124 BRL-CAD: parse and occlude correctly.
01:23.27 kanzure i understand that we can't all be web developer wizards but uh..
01:24.13 kanzure does this mean i should donate my time?
01:25.31 brlcad kanzure: you mean you love it so much that you want to help, right?
01:25.43 kanzure not quite
01:26.03 kanzure what?
01:26.07 brlcad kanzure: I know all about it, mark (and drupal 7) is part of the reason for the php upgrade
01:26.29 kanzure imho php is not a good choice for someone who isn't a web developer (and probably not a good choice for most web developers :P)
01:26.52 brlcad I'm pretty sure that page was just to throw something up instead of a dead url
01:27.03 kanzure are you hosting stepcode.org?
01:27.16 brlcad it's just a static html page (or was at least)
01:27.39 kanzure my immediate recommendations are to get rid of the background image and centering if he wants this to be taken seriously
01:27.39 brlcad yes
01:28.14 kanzure i really doubt that distributing source code in the form of screenshots is a good strategy
01:28.14 brlcad again, I'm pretty certain that's really not meant to be the site or even a concept design for the site
01:29.54 kanzure "Under Construction" has been off-limits since 199x
01:30.26 brlcad I'd stubbed in a simple <html><body><h1>STEPcode</h1><p>...</p><p>...</p></body></html> when I added his web root and he just thought even the stub needed an image (and apparently a couple center tags since it would have been unreadable on top of each other)
01:30.44 brlcad harmless
01:30.53 kanzure the text appears on top of the image
01:31.11 brlcad not as bad as it would have been with the default left-alignment ;)
01:31.24 kanzure oh man :( i'm gonna go crawl under a rock
01:31.40 kanzure it should just redirect to the github repo with a giant README or something
01:31.42 brlcad still, he's not designing the site -- undoubtedly just playing around
01:31.46 louipc kanzure: patches welcome :P
01:32.04 kanzure louipc: are you mark?
01:32.07 louipc nah
01:32.57 brlcad he did spend a couple hours fighting a drupal install (which I admit, they totally screwed up in their latest release)
01:33.17 brlcad I've done a half dozen installs elsewhere, all smooth, but never on the 7 line .. where they changed quite a bit
01:33.28 brlcad apparently with testing as an afterthought
01:33.32 kanzure is brlcad.org also drupal?
01:33.39 brlcad portions
01:33.49 brlcad again, also not designed, that was a freebie
01:35.02 brlcad freebie as in I posted a call for an open source webmasterwith a simple concept design prototype layout, someone stepped forward and worked on it for a few months to it's current state
01:35.14 brlcad worked good enough, but now it's more than tired and needs to be retired
01:35.46 brlcad never did reach the prototype.. :)
01:35.47 kanzure brlcad.org's stylesheet seems ok, you just want to avoid the geocities look
01:36.04 kanzure sorry, what? a few months?
01:36.19 brlcad we at least DID have a style guide beforehand with a color scheme palette defined
01:36.39 brlcad there's more there than meets the eye
01:36.55 brlcad it's a single unified css theme that applies cleanly to drupal and mediawiki
01:37.00 kanzure a few months for the stlyesheet, or the whole drupal configuration?
01:37.08 kanzure right
01:37.22 kanzure s/stlye/style
01:37.23 brlcad whole thing, style, config, ldap, modules, navi, etc
01:37.40 kanzure pardon my untrained eye but where is ldap used
01:37.56 brlcad most of it was spent trying to get ldap to interact for single auth, but that was ultimately a bust for his skills
01:38.54 kanzure i see
01:39.17 brlcad set up properly, you would have logged in anywhere on the site and had proper permissions even though different systems were catering to different capabilities
01:39.32 kanzure shared sessions between mediawiki and drupal? :/
01:39.38 brlcad drupal sucks at wiki, media sucks at static content
01:39.50 brlcad yeah, basically
01:40.11 kanzure i personally dislike both of those products, but everyone else hates ikiwiki
01:40.38 kanzure oh interesting.. didn't know ikiwiki supported svn
01:41.04 brlcad I'm a fan of their momentum as a framework, and to date they've been relatively maintenance free to keep running across several years
01:41.16 brlcad from a users perspective, hard to beat mw simplicity
01:41.25 kanzure really? i find that i have to fight spam on mediawiki often (either with akismet plugins or whatever)
01:42.15 brlcad we'd tackled that problem in the bzflag community years ago
01:42.46 brlcad you can really minimize spam to a bare minimum if you set up all the spam prevention bells and whistles .. even while still allowing anonymous everywhere
01:42.59 brlcad which I've always been adament about
01:43.44 brlcad you can see it in the updates that post here, wiki spam is exceedingly rare .. maybe a couple a month and that's not for lack of attention/attempts/popularity
01:44.24 kanzure i think even git-wiki resorts to using a mediawiki-similar stylesheet because users seem to prefer it so strongly :/
01:44.51 brlcad I don't care so much about the stylesheet as the wiki syntax itself
01:45.07 brlcad NeverWasAFan!
01:45.21 kanzure mediawiki's wikitext is very hard to parse or compute with :/
01:45.33 kanzure what do they call it? sorry it's not wikitext.. it's uh..
01:45.39 brlcad which is probably why it's the easiest for users to actually .. use :)
01:48.37 brlcad bz had two wikis -- a mw install and a moinmoin .. we could get minors (seriously, single-digit aged) to edit one of them .. but not the other
01:49.02 brlcad finally took it out back and shot it after a few years
01:49.11 kanzure are bzflag's users mostly minors?
01:49.27 brlcad no
01:49.30 brlcad whole gamut
01:49.48 brlcad definitely a large percentage, though
01:53.18 brlcad starseeker: heh, I just read 50442 ... I'm not sure that actually increased robustness at all really...
01:54.16 brlcad need some sort of encode/decode function.. + was just one of probably a couple dozen characters that could screw with the variable name
01:54.39 brlcad i thought you handled it better somewhere else I recall coming across (you did something similar to what the autotools guys did)
01:55.11 brlcad replacing [^[alnum]] with _'s iirc
01:55.40 brlcad (i.e., replacing all "not letter or numbers" with an underscore)
01:56.06 brlcad when going into a variable's name, that is
02:02.04 crdueck brlcad: correspondance with our mentor should be done over the mailing list, right?
02:51.12 brlcad crdueck: correct -- because in general you have LOTS of mentors there and here
02:51.57 brlcad unless you have a non-coding matter to discuss like your dog died or you cut off your fingers
02:52.20 brlcad you can keep personal matters private, naturally, e-mail your assigned mentor directly for that and cc me
02:59.09 crdueck okay, i'm going to put an email out shortly then
03:14.21 kanzure hrmm i strongly recommend against cutting off your fingers
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04:43.54 brlcad crdueck: excellent write-up, thank you!

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