IRC log for #brlcad on 20130115

01:07.52 Notify 03GCI:javamonn * 8131203 Compile with -Wstrict-prototypes, fix warnings that ensue: Ready for review - The work on this task is ready to be reviewed.
01:14.37 Notify 03GCI:javamonn * 8131203 Compile with -Wstrict-prototypes, fix warnings that ensue: Removed that line - I removed the line from the patch that was causing the problem. It's still an old style...
03:07.59 Notify 03GCI:Sean * 8131203 Compile with -Wstrict-prototypes, fix warnings that ensue: Task Closed - Congratulations, this task has been completed successfully.
03:10.38 brlcad caen23: your task is the last remaining open
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06:47.12 caen23 brlcad: i'm sorry, but i haven't managed to get it done properly. i can merge history, but i cannot get it to recognize they are the same files. i was thinking of merging the history with git, then merging the files outside of git (with patch), but i think it's an ugly hack
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13:39.19 maths22 brlcad: I'm wondering what still has to happen on crit for it to become the webserver.
13:46.07 tujli I modeled my part with BRLCAD but the manufacturer says they want a 2d drawing
13:46.26 tujli how can I get it?
14:18.24 brlcad maths22: good question, mainly a file sync and one final database sync
14:18.59 brlcad tujli: couple ways but know that 2d drawings are not yet our forte
14:19.23 brlcad tujli: you can run the rtedge command and it'll output a hidden-line rendering for a specified view
14:19.55 brlcad it's trivial to generate drawings for each primary view (top, front, left, 35/25), and they'll want that
14:20.32 brlcad the problem is that they'll also want dimension information which we don't yet add to the drawings for you
14:20.44 brlcad you'll have to add your annotations and dimensions manually
14:21.10 brlcad which is honestly done most easily within an image editor
14:22.41 brlcad rtege will give you a rendering like this http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/havoc_rtedge.png.html (35/25 view)
14:23.57 brlcad caen23: can you write up what all you tried?
14:24.28 brlcad how can you merge history if you cannot get it to recognize they are the same files?
14:25.11 brlcad task-wise, the research on a solution is enough
14:26.00 brlcad usefulness-wise, even a horrible horrible hack that gets the job done will be awesome because right now the only solution is manually merging and losing the history
14:26.23 caen23 brlcad: i can create a new (parent) repository and add the other two repositories to it, preserving history. so if repoA had 3 commits, and repoB had 4, this parent repository would have 7 commits logged
14:27.14 brlcad ah, but that wouldn't necessarily preserve the different authors
14:27.45 caen23 why not?
14:28.13 brlcad hm, how are you adding the two repos?
14:29.08 caen23 using something called "subtree merge" in git. the log would keep the original authors for each commit, not mention the merger as the author of all commits, if that's your concern
14:30.24 brlcad so then is the only problem that it needs two subtrees, because even a merge of the src subdirectory would be right
14:31.40 brlcad I guess what's needed is to see the actual steps with some comments
14:32.08 caen23 ok, i can write that
14:33.04 brlcad if it can work with our svn repo and the github repo as the data starting point, not abstracted, even better.. :)
14:35.00 caen23 i tried running svn2git on the whole repo, but i got an error around r18000, and i wasn't able to finish the conversion. but i didn't try running it on src/step specifically, i could give that a try
14:35.40 brlcad so something to try later, for the task just write up what you did
14:35.53 caen23 ok
14:35.54 brlcad deadline is just in a couple hours I think
14:36.50 caen23 5, i see. i can get it done
14:45.29 Notify 03BRL-CAD:bob1961 * 54175 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/SketchEditFrame.tcl: More tweaks for Archer's sketch editor. Update the handle_configure method to redraw the grid after receiving a window configure event. Whether we're in detail mode or not, the segments need to be created in the canvas.
14:46.58 maths22 brlcad: the db sync might be difficult for the website, as the two servers are running different versions of the software: changes since I upgraded the software on crit might need to be ported manually.
14:50.13 tujli brlcad, any manual about rtedge (is it a command in mged, or a standalone program)?
14:51.10 brlcad caen23: that's our limit on the task, I don't think that's GCI's limit
14:51.15 tujli I can't get hidden lines and faces parallel to my eyesight displayed
14:51.29 brlcad if it's 24 hours after gci close, then it's like two hours from now
14:52.37 brlcad maths22: so one specific problem is that the site on crit is missing several modules that have been in place on .bz for quite some time
14:52.44 brlcad spam measures in particular
14:53.04 brlcad the db on crit is utterly flooded with spam (dozens a day)
14:53.22 brlcad so they need to be purged (not manually deleted)
14:53.33 brlcad easiest way to do that is to drop the database and re-import/re-upgrade
14:53.55 brlcad tujli: it's a standalone program but it's also a command in mged
14:54.00 brlcad there is a man page
14:54.14 brlcad if you've set your MANPATH correctly, just man rtedge
14:54.24 brlcad or running brlman rtedge if you've only set your PATH
14:55.16 brlcad tujli: I'm not sure what you mean about faces parallel to your eyesight
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14:57.05 caen23 brlcad: ugh, it seems i can no longer upload work at all
14:57.22 caen23 but i can put the files somewhere and give you the link
14:57.24 brlcad caen23: try to mark it closed
14:57.40 caen23 i can't without uploading any work
14:59.20 tujli brlcad: I see nothing about face z=0, 0<x,y<1 when looking from x-axis direction
14:59.54 tujli it should be a line from y=0,z=0 to y=1,z=0
15:00.55 maths22 brlcad: is the wiki or the drupal page getting spammed?
15:01.07 maths22 I can fix that once I know what is broken.
15:01.27 brlcad that description does nothing to help me help you :)
15:01.30 brlcad maths22: wiki
15:01.39 maths22 True.
15:01.43 brlcad see http://crit.brlcad.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
15:02.09 maths22 the wiki is much easier to upgrade than the drupal site
15:02.42 brlcad the last 500 changes spans all of 2 days
15:03.08 brlcad there are several measures in place on the old wiki that have been effective
15:03.15 brlcad all of them are apparently needed
15:03.36 brlcad i have a half dozen to clean up in my queue
15:03.45 brlcad but that's over the past two weeks
15:03.50 maths22 I don't know what happened to the modules, but I will reupdate the site today.
15:06.30 maths22 brlcad: can I have permissions to edit the w directory on crit. Some of the files are locked against my editing.
15:07.18 maths22 Also, the images directory in w2
15:14.38 brlcad caen23: try uploading a link to our repo or the github repo, just to see if it's even closable
15:15.24 caen23 i tried, links don't work either
15:15.44 brlcad maths22: sure, give me a few minutse -- that's another issue raised, that there's a w2 directory and a stale out of sync w directory
15:15.52 brlcad without a file sync, uploaded files are missing
15:16.00 brlcad caen23: ahhh, so maybe too late already
15:16.15 caen23 i think it is, unfortunately
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15:20.38 maths22 I only currently use the w2 directory (last time I could not fix the w directory, so I copied it to a new directory)
15:20.52 maths22 I will resync the files to the w directory once it is deleted.
15:21.12 brlcad caen23: what error do you get when you try to upload?
15:22.28 maths22 until then, I will run it out of the w3 directory
15:24.51 brlcad dude, just a few minutes :)
15:25.04 brlcad you should be able to do it now
15:25.13 maths22 That is fine. I just have time now, so I am doing the work now and can change the path later
15:25.14 brlcad via sudo
15:25.22 maths22 thanks
15:25.28 brlcad what's the user/group?
15:25.46 brlcad i haven't changed anything yet, that's the config that should be in place
15:25.57 brlcad I need a few minutes to switch contexts, log in, and verify
15:26.16 brlcad but sudo -u www is the usual way all web file editing should be occuring
15:26.24 brlcad there could be some deviations that need fixing
15:26.51 maths22 ok
15:27.45 maths22 I am "not in the sudoers file"
15:28.21 brlcad you did -u ?
15:28.30 maths22 i did
15:28.43 brlcad then couple minutes :)
15:32.11 caen23 brlcad: "All work on tasks has stopped. You can no longer place comments, submit work or make any changes to existing tasks."
15:32.44 maths22 no hurry
15:33.24 brlcad ahh, looks like crit hasn't had the sudoers configuration migrated
15:33.25 brlcad fixes
15:36.30 maths22 thanks.
15:39.42 maths22 <PROTECTED>
15:39.42 brlcad maths22: there, that should do it
15:39.50 maths22 thank you
15:39.55 brlcad note that your mask is wrong for web root work
15:40.11 brlcad umask 002
15:40.14 maths22 what does that mean?
15:40.26 brlcad the permissions are wrong on the w2 and w3 folders that you made
15:40.40 maths22 that is fine. I will delete them
15:41.00 brlcad it'll be the same for any other files you create too
15:41.06 brlcad so you'll have to keep an eye on that
15:41.10 brlcad or set your mask
15:41.32 brlcad files should be user and group readable/writeable and usually world readable
15:41.58 brlcad numerically, files are usually 664 and directories are 775
15:42.19 maths22 what should my mask be?
15:42.24 brlcad and you copy/edit/move everything as sudo -u www
15:42.27 brlcad 002
15:42.37 maths22 ok. thanks.
15:42.45 brlcad np, thx too
15:43.00 brlcad that's set up that way so we can all edit the files
15:43.12 brlcad without needing a sysadmin to jump in and fix things all the time
15:43.24 brlcad and without granting everyone root access (bad)
15:44.11 maths22 that makes sense
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15:47.22 maths22 root seems to own some of the files in w2
15:50.51 brlcad fixed -- that was a quick-fix I did a week or so ago to fix the wiki images
15:51.09 brlcad (they were all missing, not synced)
15:51.42 maths22 thanks
15:58.33 maths22 I somehow do not have read permissions on the w folder (only w and x)
16:01.06 tujli brlcad: well any advice for my question?
16:03.02 tujli I was asking, that I see nothing about face z=0, 0<x,y<1 when rtedge from x-axis direction
16:04.13 maths22 never mind. I fiexd it myself
16:05.45 brlcad tujli: I reponded -- I don't understand what that means
16:07.19 brlcad tujli: sounds like some face "on the ground", but that range seems somewhat useless for understanding the problem
16:07.51 brlcad you're looking down the X axis and can't see a face in the xy-plane?
16:08.35 brlcad faces aren't line-rendered in isolation, it depends on their neighboring geometry
16:12.34 tujli brlcad: http://imagebin.org/242997 was rendered from default view, and http://imagebin.org/242998 from -a0 -A0 -e0
16:13.22 tujli looks like some edges are missing in the second (-a0 -A0 -e0) image
16:13.30 starseeker gets his hopes up again that a PPI race may begin for desktop monitors: http://www.pcworld.com/article/261738/up_close_with_sharps_stunning_igzo_display_technology.html
16:20.01 brlcad tujli: aha, I see what you mean now
16:20.12 brlcad that looks like depth feature culling -- what's the size of that view?
16:20.53 tujli brlcad: 800
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16:24.38 brlcad tujli: units? :)
16:24.41 brlcad mm ?
16:25.15 brlcad i meant the geometric size, not the pixel size, btw
16:25.53 brlcad it'll be at the bottom of your mged command window
16:26.23 brlcad here, doesn't matter, lets just set the depth really really small so you get all features
16:26.50 tujli ah
16:26.51 brlcad -c "set max_dist=0.001"
16:26.59 tujli 3.5mm iirc
16:27.11 brlcad oooh, yeah ... that's itty bitty
16:27.42 brlcad it's fine, but you just need to set the distance
16:27.53 tujli nice it works for me now
16:28.05 brlcad great!
16:28.05 tujli btw how can I render hidden lines?
16:28.25 brlcad you mean like the wireframe?
16:28.33 brlcad you can save the wireframe itself
16:30.06 brlcad File -> Render View, plot or postscript should do the trick
16:30.11 tujli brlcad: no it won't work in this way
16:30.57 tujli sometimes I write A - B where B is very large
16:31.18 brlcad tujli: just so you know, we've been working on major infrastructure changes to make all this MUCH easier, but it's a ton of work to get it all in place so it's taking some time
16:31.20 tujli I only want to see boundary of B at sections where it intersects with A
16:32.13 brlcad so still a wireframe, but without the "negative" objects
16:32.53 tujli so then?
16:34.16 brlcad that's actually exactly what our new infrastructure supports, but I'm not sure it's currently possible honestly
16:34.48 brlcad you could run the "E" command to see a polygonal version evaluated
16:35.09 brlcad but then you're going to get more than the intersection edges, you'll get all the faces
16:35.17 tujli brlcad: in mged?
16:35.19 brlcad yes
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16:37.31 brlcad hm, actually for a simple test, that actually seems to work
16:37.43 brlcad for flat polygonal faces
16:39.24 tujli brlcad: looks better than the default wireframe view, but I still need to erase some lines (with an image editor?) to get what I want
16:39.36 brlcad around the holes?
16:40.06 brlcad can you show me?
16:41.13 brlcad might be simpler to turn the holes off, capture wireframe with E, then merge with an rtedge rendering
16:41.34 brlcad pain in the ass, but should work
16:41.47 brlcad and simpler than deleting lines with an image editor
16:42.56 tujli brlcad: in A.s rpp 0 20 0 20 0 20
16:43.02 tujli in B.s rpp 10 30 10 30 0 20
16:43.09 tujli r C.r u A.s - B.s
16:43.14 tujli E C.r
16:43.24 tujli view from Top
16:43.39 tujli expected: an L-shaped thing
16:45.06 brlcad aha, that one is easy
16:45.09 brlcad it's a tolerancing issue
16:45.52 brlcad you subtract B.s from A.s but they share two faces exactly
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16:46.59 brlcad in B.s rpp 10 30 10 30 -0.1 20.1
16:49.34 tujli then the whole boundary of B (a square at 10,10 ~ 30,30) appears instead
16:50.55 brlcad run "who"?
16:51.11 brlcad make sure you're only displaying C.r
16:51.20 brlcad B C.r ; E C.r
16:51.40 tujli ok got the correct now :)
16:51.47 tujli but this looks so hacky
16:52.06 brlcad agreed
16:52.08 tujli and difficult to do on an existing model
16:52.12 brlcad like I said, I didn't even think it was possible
16:52.59 brlcad you'd need to make those tolerance corrections to properly export the model as well
16:53.20 brlcad the ray trace render evaluation is a lot more robust, that's why it looks okay via rt/rtedge
16:53.49 brlcad but E and the exporters are a lot more sensistive to tolerancing, you have to nudge your subtractions so they do not coincide
16:54.00 brlcad the boundary is undefined
16:54.15 ``Erik I don't think any etc files were migrated to crit, so many packages had such significant updates, it woulda caused more harm than good, iirc
16:55.24 ``Erik "sudo su"? O.o
16:55.40 tujli brlcad: so I guess the only thing I can do now is to wait?
16:59.07 tujli btw is there a good software you would recommend, with which I can get a 2d draft from an exported format of brlcad?
16:59.28 brlcad tujli: options seem to be to either wait, edit the lines manually in an image editor, fix the coinciding faces so you can use the E command (which is actually a bit easier than it seems), or export the model into another CAD system that will handle the 2D drawing better (complex path)
17:00.25 brlcad there actually is not any that I would recommend -- even the commercial systems deal with import/drawing very poorly
17:01.57 ``Erik tujli: best bet is probably to rtedge a huge render and fix it up in inkscape or gimp :/
17:03.40 tujli ``Erik: the main barrier is that it doesn't show hidden edges
17:07.27 ``Erik what if you facetized the regions and saved the plots of the facetized version? if you're code savvy, rtedge could be modified with some firsthit data to try to draw a stipled line for the hidden edges, but that'd be a bit of C fu
17:14.45 tujli ``Erik: and have them overlapped each other?
17:14.48 tujli I've never looked into brlcad code
17:16.13 ``Erik overlapping regions is a semantic error
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17:26.45 brlcad it actually shouldn't be very hard at all to get rtedge to show hidden edges...
17:27.05 brlcad tujli: if you can wait a couple days, I can give that a try on Thursday
17:28.34 Notify 03BRL-CAD:bob1961 * 54176 (brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl): Minor tweak to restore the graphical display after deleting the currently selected sketch.
17:28.58 brlcad it has all the machinery, might not be too hard
17:29.05 Notify 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 54177 brlcad/trunk/TODO: add option to have rtedge also show interior/back-facing edges
17:29.58 tujli ``Erik: i didn't really understand what you said.
17:30.31 tujli i mean "what if you facetized the regions and saved the plots of the facetized version?"
17:31.18 tujli brlcad: in what timezone :p
17:31.32 tujli it's already Wednesday here now
17:47.38 Notify 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 54178 brlcad/trunk/src/librt/test_botpatches.cpp: Try to push the surface edges away from the trimming curves, to avoid uv pullback failures.
17:59.45 brlcad tujli: so "a couple days", however you want to take that
18:00.03 brlcad no promise that it'll work, but I'll gladly try if it'll be of use to use
18:00.17 brlcad I just can't work on it right this moment
18:15.04 caen23 brlcad: i was thinking of setting up buildbot on crit, where would you like me to place the master (sorry, not used to working on servers)?
18:16.03 Notify 03BRL-CAD:bob1961 * 54179 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Fixed a few issues related to primitive labels not being drawn.
18:26.42 tujli brlcad: that's ok. thx anyway
18:29.22 tujli brlcad: better to have interior edges have a different linestyle, or color
18:34.31 maths22 brlcad: I updated it with the newest version
19:24.04 brlcad caen23: talked to google and it was too late yesterday even
19:24.38 brlcad I was a little confused because we were able to approve one after the deadline .. apparently they opened up the system for 15 minutes, just enough time for another student to submit and us to accept
19:25.35 brlcad you can just share what you found on the brlcad-devel list instead, since that really is a high-priority hot topic I'd like to get closure on
19:28.34 caen23 okay
19:32.49 brlcad tujli: now you're just getting needy
19:32.53 brlcad ;)
19:33.30 brlcad hm, colors might be doable ... linestyle will have to wait for the new infrastructure, though
19:35.58 tujli brlcad: anyway without color doable, I can generate two images, one with hidden edges and the other without them, using different color
19:36.11 tujli then put the second one over the first one
19:36.25 brlcad maths22: Warning: Missing argument 3 for makeBlock(), called in /usr/web/brlcad.org/skin2/page.tpl.php on line 179 and defined in /usr/web/brlcad.org/skin2/page.tpl.php on line 40
19:37.31 brlcad tujli: technically you can do that now too .. rtedge front + rtedge back (diff color), mirror back image, and composite together
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19:38.16 brlcad that'd be neat to experiment with in a script..
19:38.47 tujli brlcad: nope. my model has a hole from top to bottom
19:39.44 tujli so it can't be seen from either side
19:39.53 brlcad ah, so you need an *interior* edge
19:39.58 brlcad good to know
19:40.44 brlcad any value distinguishing between front, interior, and rear with three colors?
19:41.05 brlcad or just front and not-front
19:41.45 tujli the second is enough for me but the first might look reasonable
19:42.12 brlcad maths22: that warning is on the mediawiki page (recent changes) .. which makes me wonder why if page.tpl.php is from mw or ours?
19:43.45 brlcad why does the recent changes page suck so badly.. 500 changes in last 30 days and it stops at 3 JAN
19:44.29 caen23 brlcad: i tried posting to the mailing list, but it seems i am not allowed to
19:44.41 brlcad caen23: if you're subscribed, you're allowed to
19:46.07 brlcad mail is supposed to come from the subscribed email address
19:46.24 tujli brlcad: what's your $wgRCMaxAge value?
19:46.37 caen23 this seems right. do i need to prefix the header with anything?
19:46.45 brlcad nope
19:47.24 caen23 hmm… actually, it could be because i am subscribed with mail@gmail.com, but the mail is sent from mail@googlemail.com
19:47.35 brlcad tujli: whatever the default is, apparently
19:47.45 brlcad caen23: that would be why
19:48.20 brlcad list has no way of knowing that google makes those one in the same
19:48.43 tujli brlcad: so it should be 7 days... per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCMaxAge and I see your mediawiki version 1.11.0
19:48.57 caen23 makes sense, i guess i was hoping google would take care of it
20:06.15 brlcad tujli: that's a good find, thanks!
20:06.41 brlcad the site it was migrated to is the latest, but assumedly the 1.11 database has already purged the old changes
20:09.58 caen23 brlcad: the mail is posted, and i wanted to setup buildbot on crit. where would you like the master to be located?
20:12.28 brlcad sets it to 6 months, rebuilds recent changes, yay!
20:13.58 brlcad caen23: it is/was setup in skriptkid's public_html folder
20:14.14 brlcad it'd be nice to have it use a system-installed service like how jenkins was set up
20:14.41 brlcad caen23: before you go down that road, we should probably decide which to use so you don't waste effort though
20:16.59 brlcad i'm torn, I like the jenkins interface more, but like buildbot configurability/scriptability more (and simplicity of setup)
20:17.18 brlcad out of the box, jenkins was definitely slightly more friendly
20:22.30 caen23 i like buildbot for being easier to modify, too. it's python, it's got a nice community around it, and a lot of people seem to use it, including webkit, llvm and i think mozilla. i actually made a small contribution to it myself :) but jenkins definitely looks nicer, although this should be doable with buildbot and some html, too
20:24.46 caen23 did you see this? http://trac.buildbot.net/wiki/SuccessStories
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21:10.07 maths22 page.tpl.php is ours. I will fix it.
21:10.26 maths22 except...
21:10.30 maths22 it works now
21:10.44 maths22 I don't know why it was not working.
21:25.02 brlcad maths22: I still get the error
21:25.05 brlcad http://crit.brlcad.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
21:25.26 brlcad it's half underneath the image/menu header
21:32.08 maths22 I do not see it. this is what I see: http://grab.by/j2B4
21:34.56 caen23 maybe you need an account?
21:38.59 maths22 I also get the error when logged in.
21:39.54 caen23 so you should be able to fix it now
21:58.17 maths22 I meant to say I don't get the error when logged in.
21:58.28 maths22 The problem with talking to people and writing.
22:03.31 Notify 03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 54180 brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/brickwall.c: add 'horizontal'; change vert_bricks computation; remove blank line (need only 1 blank line at start of mged input)
22:04.47 Notify 03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 54181 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/SketchEditFrame.tcl: remove trailing blank
22:06.05 maths22 crit
22:06.08 maths22 sorry
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