IRC log for #brlcad on 20130409

02:43.58 brlcad starseeker: sure, yank it if you want
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03:37.21 starseeker ding nabbit, that wasn't it
03:37.24 starseeker what'd I break now
03:39.05 starseeker help somebody
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03:48.40 gdh brlcad, I was looking at the ideas page for GSoC, and it said that you are a possible mentor for the Code Reduction Project.
03:48.43 gdh Is that correct?
03:51.32 gdh By the way, my name is Gavin Howard.
03:51.54 gdh I was hoping that BRL-CAD would be accepted again this year.
03:52.06 gdh I think it would be fun to work on a CAD program.
03:55.08 gdh ``Erik, I believe the site listed you too.
03:55.26 gdh Is that correct?
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11:14.14 ``Erik gdh: so it would seem
11:25.57 ``Erik cmake 2.8.7 is the new minimum? O.O
11:30.34 ``Erik ah, for string md5
11:30.37 ``Erik starts upgrading cmakes
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13:08.44 gdh ``Erik, I noticed that the Code Reduction Project was listed last year.
13:08.52 gdh Did no one take it?
13:10.16 ``Erik I don't recall, but that'd be one of those recurring projects... reduction, cleanup, 'gardening'
13:10.36 gdh something that no one really wants to do, I'm guessing
13:11.59 ``Erik reducing technical debt is one of those 'invisible' benefits, so it can be a hard sell... adding a new feature/capability is one of the few ways a non-coder sees progress :)
13:13.09 gdh true
13:13.25 gdh nevertheless, I am interested in doing it
13:13.32 gdh (and fixing any bugs I find)
13:13.45 ``Erik awesome
13:14.01 gdh to me, it's an opportunity to troll through the entire codebase and figure out how it works
13:15.47 gdh and I get paid for it :)
13:16.20 ``Erik always a cool plus... have you compiled BRL-CAD yet?
13:17.23 ``Erik I believe the pre-proposal checklist is still somewhere in the wiki, it includes stuff like doing a subversion checkout, compiling and installing, submitting a trivial patch, etc
13:18.32 brlcad starseeker: ready to do it again? http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/02/15/introducing-qbs/
13:18.36 brlcad (kidding)
13:19.34 brlcad gdh: code reduction was an accepted project last year
13:19.42 brlcad ksenija silvko worked on it
13:19.57 brlcad several of her patches are still pending in fact
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13:27.25 sbongir whois d_rossberg
13:29.52 brlcad hello sbongir
13:30.04 sbongir hello everyone
13:30.56 sbongir I am new to this IRC so I am sorry for any inconvenience or mistakes on my part.
13:31.09 brlcad so far you're good
13:40.39 gdh ``Erik, no, I haven't compiled it yet.
13:40.42 gdh I'm working on it
13:45.08 gdh sbongir, irc is easy to learn, so don't worry ;)
13:45.13 gdh I'm also relatively new
13:45.34 gdh ``Erik, brlcad uses cmake, correct?
13:45.39 sbongir Yes Thank You @gdh
13:47.01 d_rossberg sbongir: it's me ;)
13:48.30 d_rossberg the AUTHORS file in the BRL-CAD sources will give you some additional information to the BRL-CAD developers
13:53.59 sbongir d_rossberg can we have some private chat?
13:55.49 d_rossberg sbongir: you should ask about NURBS here, i'm not a specialist in this topic
13:56.02 brlcad sbongir: you don't need to be shy, just talk if you want
13:56.21 sbongir ok d_rossberg!
13:56.43 gdh brlcad, even though code reduction was done last year, does it still need work?
13:56.58 brlcad gdh: heh
13:57.19 brlcad so brl-cad has around 1M lines of code
13:57.29 gdh I see it as an opportunity to learn how the codebase works
13:57.38 brlcad about 10% of that is duplicate code due to just the way development occurs across decades
13:57.42 sbongir I have looked at the GSoC wiki of BRL-CAD & I want to chip into one of the projects pertaining to NURBS.
13:58.03 brlcad how much do you think a student could get through in one summer of that 100000 approx. lines of duplication? :)
13:58.22 gdh depends
13:58.33 brlcad sbongir: great!
13:58.59 gdh I am also interested in the General Tree Walker project
13:59.00 sbongir specifically speaking implicit to NURBS conversion & NURBS tesselation.
13:59.06 gdh has that been done?
13:59.40 brlcad sbongir: two hot topics are projecting NURBS for hidden-line rendering, improving NURBS performance, and NURBS export via STEP
14:00.34 brlcad gdh: I think Ksenija got through maybe 1000-3000 lines at best
14:01.01 starseeker arrrrrgh
14:01.12 brlcad though her skills were very budding, it was a lot of mentoring to make useful progress
14:01.20 starseeker smacks Digia with a wet trout for re-inventing the wheel
14:01.20 gdh well, then, I guess it still needs to be done
14:01.38 sbongir I have some primary level knowledge about NURBS due to my CAD/CAM classes.
14:01.39 d_rossberg boolean operations with nurbs has some open issues too
14:01.42 gdh I do have to say that it's nice to know there are women in programming
14:02.13 brlcad the hard part is understanding the code well enough to make a good reduction, making the reduction, and then actually testing/verifying/proving that you didn't break anything
14:02.25 gdh true
14:02.47 brlcad what's your coding background?
14:03.02 gdh some java, C++ and C
14:03.19 gdh I am project lead for an open source programming language
14:03.20 brlcad sbongir: do you have access to any other CAD systems?
14:03.29 gdh so I might be able to help with the tree walker
14:03.38 gdh that said, I am relatively new to coding as well
14:03.41 brlcad gdh: explain? what language?
14:03.42 d_rossberg sbongir: did you had a look at BRL-CAD's source code?
14:03.53 gdh brlcad, it's called LFyre.
14:03.54 sbongir I have student edition Solid Edge & Autodesk Inventor & AutoCAD.
14:04.11 gdh You haven't heard of it because I'm still trying to bootstrap the compiler
14:04.17 brlcad ah
14:04.19 gdh http://lfyre.com
14:04.27 gdh http://lfyre.blogspot.com
14:04.47 d_rossberg sbongir: any C compiler?
14:05.03 sbongir I have completed 6 months Internship in PTC & have some basic idea on how CAD softwares
14:05.06 sbongir work
14:05.49 brlcad gdh: ah yes, looks like fun
14:06.03 sbongir I have some experience in Qt.
14:06.14 brlcad gdh: if that's an area of interest, working on our geometry editing library API might be more apropos
14:06.31 brlcad sbongir: nice
14:06.36 brlcad what'd you do with them?
14:06.57 sbongir Since I have developed only within IDE's like MSVS2010 & Qt Creator & I dont know how to compile manually.
14:07.19 sbongir But I know that MinGW is used on Windows & GCC in Ubuntu.
14:08.26 gdh brlcad, what would I be doing on the API?
14:08.41 d_rossberg MSVS2010 should be fine, i work with msvc 2008
14:08.48 gdh is that the MGED to Archer Command Migration project?
14:09.18 sbongir d_rossberg I have the Express edition, would that be fine?
14:09.52 starseeker thinks it's time to separate build system definition languages from the tools that actually do the dirty work
14:10.55 starseeker define something in json designed to be tool parsable, and then design the human input language(s) to compile to that
14:11.12 brlcad gdh: it's definitely related to that project
14:11.40 brlcad we have a LIBGED library filled with most of the commands users interact with
14:12.31 brlcad there are a lot of needs there being worked on, but getting the library cleaned up, more commands migrated, and sorting out registration/execution/rollback transactions are all on the docket
14:12.43 gdh I was looking at that one too.
14:12.52 gdh The problem is that I don't know Tcl
14:13.04 brlcad don't need to
14:13.07 brlcad it's a C API
14:13.17 d_rossberg sbongir: i'm afraid there are some issues with the express edition: http://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2012/7948214
14:13.39 gdh oh. The description said Tcl, but hey, that works!
14:13.41 brlcad you could fix those issues, great patch ;)
14:14.59 gdh I have now successfully compiled the program
14:15.12 gdh does it have no dependencies at all?
14:15.20 brlcad gdh: you're taking up leadership of a new language and are shy of an ancient like tcl?
14:15.32 gdh that was the easiest dependency resolution I've ever had]
14:15.45 brlcad we auto-detect
14:15.56 brlcad if you don't have what we need, we build what we provide
14:16.07 gdh brlcad, I'm not shy of it; the requirements just say that I need to know Tcl beforehand
14:16.14 brlcad the summary after cmake itemized what it found and did not find
14:16.15 gdh that is wonderful
14:16.46 brlcad tcl is also a C API at the level it pertains to libged, so no worries
14:17.04 gdh I can learn it if necessary
14:17.08 brlcad there are just a few commands that are written in tcl and if you were working to migrate them, it'd obviously help
14:17.18 sbongir d_rossberg so do I have to buy VS2010 now?
14:17.21 brlcad it's a very simple command-centric language
14:17.43 d_rossberg sbongir: no
14:17.47 brlcad still, unlikely you'd be involved with it more than at the C level
14:18.14 gdh That would be something I am interested in then
14:18.22 sbongir then what can I use?
14:18.36 brlcad sbongir: fix the express issues
14:18.39 d_rossberg first you should download the sources (subversion, tortoisesvn) and generate the project files (CMake)
14:19.30 d_rossberg then try to compile as much of the subprojects as you can
14:20.06 brlcad yeah, just see how far you get, maybe see if you get the same result as the GCI student did
14:20.10 sbongir d_rossberg using which compiler? Sorry but I am not a CS guy, rather Mech guy who likes coding.
14:20.19 brlcad and if you find a problem, try to fix it
14:20.28 brlcad great proposals come with a great patch to demonstrate you can figure things out ;)
14:20.42 gdh brlcad, what executable is the actual program? (or the one that starts it?)
14:21.03 gdh I built everything, and now I have loads of executables in my build/bin directory
14:22.49 d_rossberg CMake will generate the project files for MSVC 2010
14:24.11 brlcad gdh: see the faq ;)
14:24.23 brlcad mged
14:24.24 gdh facedesks
14:24.59 brlcad and those loads of execs are the "actual program" because brl-cad is a suite of programs
14:25.12 gdh brlcad, I figured
14:25.13 brlcad mged is probably what you're thinking of, or archer ..
14:25.43 gdh wait...the project I am interested in is migrating mged to archer
14:26.09 gdh oh, I like archer much better
14:26.16 gdh yes, I think I know what I am going to do
14:27.10 d_rossberg sbongir: as a fall-back there is an image for a virtual machine: http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/files/BRL-CAD%20for%20Virtual%20Machines/
14:28.00 gdh brlcad, do we submit proposals to the project before we apply to Google?
14:28.30 brlcad gdh: the more you talk and keep engaging the community, the better
14:29.02 brlcad you're welcome to put your proposal up on our wiki and/or highlights on the mailing list to discuss
14:29.12 brlcad glad to provide feedback to make sure it's a solid proposal
14:29.41 gdh well, it's listed on the wiki already as an idea
14:29.48 gdh hopefully, the community likes is
14:29.50 gdh *it
14:30.00 brlcad I mean your own project page
14:30.08 gdh true
14:30.42 brlcad see last year's students: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2012
14:30.59 brlcad many of them have their proposal linked from their student page
14:31.04 brlcad s/student/user/
14:32.56 sbongir d_rossberg I will try to understand what Virtual Machine is & how to use it & then get back to you.
14:33.33 sbongir d_rossberg can I code in VS2010 Express & compile in MinGw as an alternative?
14:35.53 d_rossberg MinGw has issues too
14:36.28 brlcad sbongir: there's an entire write-up on our wiki on it
14:36.45 brlcad (on the vm)
14:37.27 sbongir brlcad I will take a look.
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14:38.19 brlcad eek, he left
14:39.56 d_rossberg brlcad: where is the vm write-up on the wiki? i couldn't find it
14:42.50 gdh I'm going to be away for awhile too (class).
14:42.54 gdh See you!
14:48.50 brlcad gdh: we're used to persistent IRC connectivity
14:49.00 brlcad one might not physically be here, but we're always in the channel
14:49.06 brlcad screen+irssi ftw
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14:52.11 ``Erik heh, screen :D get with the times, the cool kids use tmux
14:52.17 brlcad down to 80 release issues
14:52.30 brlcad cool kids are retarded
14:52.56 brlcad likes how that works on so many levels
14:54.17 ``Erik sudo ln -sf /usr/local/bin/tmux /usr/local/bin/screen # *cough*
14:57.52 Notify 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55089 brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/Makefile.am: Ah, need to add thread.cpp to the Makefile.am
14:59.26 starseeker was aware of emacs vs vim, but I missed out on the screen vs. tmux wars :-P
15:00.48 ``Erik screen vs tmux is probably more like xaw vs qt or glide vs opengl :D
15:01.27 starseeker breaks out the popcorn
15:07.37 brlcad jordisayol: let me know how it goes, if you get stuck
15:07.58 brlcad we can certainly get 2.8.5 to work if you run into a brick wall you can't get past
15:08.47 jordisayol brlcad: I'll tell you something about this as soon as possible
15:10.40 starseeker cmake problem?
15:11.29 jordisayol starseeker: just that I'm unable to compile/install cmake 2.8.7 on Ubuntu 10.4 LTS
15:11.58 starseeker jordisayol: what about one of the newer ones? newest is 2.8.10.2
15:12.35 jordisayol starseeker: then the resulting packages cannot be installed/run on older releases
15:13.19 starseeker hmm? Why would the cmake version govern where the packages can be installed?
15:13.42 starseeker I was suggesting trying to build 2.8.10.2 on Ubuntu 10.4 LTS
15:14.14 jordisayol starseeker: nop, the cmake do not do that. libc.so.6 do
15:14.52 starseeker right - so if one of the newer CMake versions will build there, you're good?
15:15.21 jordisayol starseeker: yes, but I'm unable to do that on Ubuntu 10.4 :-/
15:16.07 starseeker what's the error?
15:16.34 starseeker (when you try bootstrapping CMake I mean)
15:17.08 jordisayol ufff, I've done some hours ago. But this is not a big problem because I'm able to do the same on Debian stable
15:18.03 starseeker I could conditionalize the MD5 sum verification feature based on version of CMake, but I'd rather not if I can avoid doing so - I hate complicating build logic just because distributions don't keep up with fixes in the tool itself
15:19.16 jordisayol starseeker: don't do it by the moment. Wait until I "fight" on Fedora and openSUSE to get cmake 2.8.7 working.
15:19.52 jordisayol starseeker brlcad, I'll tell you something about this thing
15:24.54 Notify 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55090 brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: LIBSTDCXX is needed in libbu now
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16:05.17 hilnius_ Hi everybody, is there someone i can ask questions for the gsoc ?
16:25.41 brlcad ~ask
16:25.41 ibot Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
16:25.44 brlcad hi hilnius_
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16:30.12 hilnius_ i'd like to know if you consider the 3D display manager as important
16:30.27 hilnius_ (meaning going to Ogre+Qt) because i'd be interested in doing it
16:34.13 brlcad hilnius_: they're all important to us :)
16:37.05 hilnius_ yeah but i mean i suppose you have a limited number of slots, and it happen to me 2 years ago to focus on an idea that had not been chosen in the end due to it's medium relevance, so i'd like it not to happen again ;)
16:41.18 brlcad hilnius_: if you don't disappear over the upcoming two weeks, we can obviously keep discussing and make sure you have the best possible application put forward for consideration
16:41.24 brlcad which org?
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16:44.19 hilnius_ that was for planeshift
16:44.43 brlcad ah
16:45.44 brlcad in the past when we've had a student in strong contention but with a less desirable topic, we've asked them to make two proposals
16:45.50 brlcad but again, it's all about communication
16:45.55 brlcad heh
16:45.58 brlcad as he leaves
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16:46.31 brlcad hilnius_: in the past when we've had a student in strong contention but with a less desirable topic, we've asked them to make two proposals
16:46.34 brlcad but it's all about communication
16:47.36 brlcad we've never turned away a stellar student because they chose to propose an "unimportant" project
16:49.05 hilnius_ ok well, anyway you tagged it as 'huge' impact so i suppose it'll be fine if i make a proposal on this :)
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17:19.19 caen23 now you can view STL files directly on github, pretty nice
17:20.08 brlcad caen23: example?
17:20.23 Notify 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55091 (brlcad/trunk/configure.ac brlcad/trunk/src/librt/Makefile.am brlcad/trunk/src/other/Makefile.am): Need autotools build for poly2tri
17:20.48 caen23 brlcad: here https://github.com/lorennorman/octocat-3d/blob/master/stl/octocat_base.stl
17:22.04 brlcad caen23: thx
17:22.15 brlcad interesting feature to add for them
17:22.56 caen23 indeed, it's just been released, i found out about it via their blog
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17:40.02 jordisayol starseeker brlcad, properly compiled/installed/tested on openSUSE 11.4 with cmake 2.8.7
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17:44.49 ``Erik https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5519184 github stl
17:44.58 ``Erik also; https://github.com/blog/1465-stl-file-viewing
17:50.10 gdh okay, I'm back
17:52.14 kanzure github has stl rendering now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5519184
17:52.18 kanzure maybe they will add .g rendering.
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17:52.40 Notify 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55093 brlcad/trunk/src/other/libpng/Makefile.am: Strip more stuff out of libpng. Getting as far as running benchmark before failures now.
17:53.09 jordisayol starseeker brlcad: good news! deb packages built on Debian stable are also installable and run on Ubuntu 10.4 :-)
17:53.19 jordisayol now I go for Fedora...
17:53.40 brlcad jordisayol: great
17:53.41 ``Erik aks001: you should ask your questions in channel so others can help answer them. The details of the code reduction project are basically that we have a lot of redundancy and dead code that can be culled... specifics would be in your proposal :)
17:54.22 brlcad kanzure: yep, we were just discussing that
17:54.28 gdh oh, there's another that wants to do code reduction?
17:54.38 gdh brlcad, thanks for suggesting the Archer API.
17:54.47 gdh That makes it easier on both of us.
17:55.34 brlcad multiple submissions are okay, especially for generic topics like code reduction
17:55.34 kanzure oh i see now.
17:55.42 brlcad the details go into the proposal
17:55.59 brlcad those "simple" projects have to have more specific/details information in the proposal write-up
17:57.00 gdh true, but like you said, I think that the API would be better for me anyway.
17:57.02 brlcad not just "reduce code" .. but reduce what code? how? what testing measures will be used? what's the process? etc
17:57.17 brlcad I agree
17:57.47 brlcad picking a more specific project helps define a more specific goal anyways, and that helps properly scope the work
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18:20.27 brlcad linked to our checklist more visibly: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/brlcad
18:30.13 gdh brlcad, one of the requirements is that students give a report everyday.
18:30.23 gdh I don't work on Sundays. Is that a problem?
18:31.41 brlcad gdh: you probably don't work when you're eating and sleeping too
18:32.00 brlcad the requirement is to report for every day that you work (in some form)
18:32.09 gdh oh. Okay
18:32.23 brlcad and even something as simple as a commit message might suffice if everything's going great
18:32.56 brlcad again, see last year's students for lots of examples (their dev log)
18:33.54 brlcad gdh: basically you're being given a LOT of flexibility with regard to your schedule, so we need to make sure you're actively communicating throughout development
18:34.13 gdh makes sense
18:34.24 gdh just wanted to make sure that wasn't going to be an issue
18:34.26 brlcad if we don't see or hear from you for three or four days, that's usually a bad sign
18:35.16 brlcad but yeah, you are allowed to have a life outside gsoc, respect whatever traditions you might adhere to, sleep and eat when you need to, etc :)
18:36.03 brlcad if you're committing frequently and hanging out on IRC where we can get ahold of you when there are questions, it's never an issue
18:36.20 gdh awesome
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18:55.03 gdh starseeker, thanks for the commits
18:55.14 gdh they let me test my automatic build scripts
18:55.17 gdh :)
19:09.26 jordisayol starseeker brlcad: successfully compiled and tested on Fedora 14. also tested on F18
19:10.33 jordisayol starseeker: do you plans to upgrade cmake in the near future?
19:11.50 starseeker jordisayol: eh? You mean bump the minimum required version again? No, no such plans
19:12.06 starseeker I do so only when I know of an actual problem with older version(s)
19:13.08 jordisayol starseeker: yes, this I mean, thank you
19:35.28 Notify 03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55097 brlcad/trunk/src/conv/stl/g-stl.c: fix warning about expecting long unsigned int but getting unsigned int
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19:56.51 gdh I love it when machines talk to me
19:57.19 brlcad do they do that often? :)
19:57.53 caen23 reads like a tweet :P
19:57.58 gdh unfortunately, yeah...
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20:04.58 hilnius_ Successfully compiled the code, but i don't know how to start the program...
20:05.28 Notify 03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55099 brlcad/trunk/src/conv/stl/g-stl.c: use 'g-stl:' in error messages, and supply new message about missing .g file and object(s)
20:05.36 brlcad hilnius_: excellent
20:05.45 brlcad see the faq, but mged or archer are probably what you're looking for
20:05.55 brlcad brl-cad is a suite of tools
20:05.58 brlcad not just one program
20:06.03 gdh don't worry hilnius_, I asked that question too (blush)
20:06.22 hilnius_ found on wiki
20:06.32 hilnius_ i was searching for a moment ... sorry for useless quest
20:06.44 brlcad we're migrating towards a lont-term goal of one application framework and all our current tools are merely plug-ins, but right now it's unix-style
20:07.45 hilnius_ ok so now it runs fine
20:18.57 jordisayol deb and rpm packages sets mged as default app for brlcad mime types. May it be replaced by archer?
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21:45.23 aks001 sorry i was out after leaving a message here.. i was busy
21:45.59 aks001 sir i just wanted to ask that what specifications you need regarding code reduction project??
21:49.45 aks001 brlcad sir: what should i look into to start working on code reduction project??
21:53.22 andrei_ hey aks001, organization irc channels are generally not that formal, you don't have to use "sir" :)
21:58.47 aks001 okk
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22:00.15 aks001 gdh are you also interested in working for code reduction project??
22:00.34 gdh aks001, don't worry; more than one person can
22:00.44 gdh however, brlcad wants me to do something else ;)
22:01.01 aks001 okkk
22:01.40 aks001 by the way have gone through the code of BRL-CAD?
22:02.29 gdh have I?
22:02.31 gdh not yet
22:03.26 aks001 actually the code is of millions of lines so i was thinking of various ways to reduce code
22:26.58 aks001 brlcad are you there??
22:38.12 andrei_ aks001: as of ways to reduce the codes, there are indeed several situations (some are as simple as copy pastes). As for the question, instead of asking if someone is here, just ask your question, brlcad(or anyone else) will answer when they are around
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22:48.06 brlcad aks001: I'm always here but not always responsive
22:48.37 brlcad it's your project, you define the specifications
22:48.56 brlcad I'll be glad to review them and help you develop some goals, but it needs to predominantly come from you
22:49.43 brlcad I suggest for starters reading up on the links described on our ideas page, actually running simian for example and seeing what it tells you, looking around the code and asking a lot of questions
22:50.55 Notify 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 55104 brlcad/trunk/NEWS: chris dueck fixed a memory leak in r52117 for the bot_condense command. wasn't releasing the vertices, but now is.
23:08.14 Notify 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 55105 brlcad/trunk/TODO: spatial processing during boolean evaluation of meshes. this would make a good gsoc project.

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