IRC log for #brlcad on 20130426

00:47.26 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Tbrowder * 5109 /wiki/Summer_of_Code/Acceptance: /* Make a patch */
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04:04.38 starseeker n_reed: just curious - how come the step importer is naming things according to the convention ''0.s, ''1.s, etc.?
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04:47.55 harmanpreet brlcad: I proposed a GSoC project of my own on BRL-CAD developers mailing list and now awaiting your response. Here is the link of the mail: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CANyDKBBoUNMbcuCGmgaPdRu%3DyH5p3qb%2B866YEu-Dzw4sRkN5vg%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=brlcad-devel
04:47.57 harmanpreet Can it be considered as GSoC project? If needed, I can supply additional details for your consideration.
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05:40.18 brlcad harmanpreet: anything can be considered :)
05:41.04 harmanpreet brlcad: oh thanks.. :)
05:44.01 harmanpreet and I just tried to compile the new revision, it fails.
05:45.05 harmanpreet sorry.. ignore above message
05:46.05 harmanpreet let me confirm
05:47.23 brlcad just replied
05:48.03 brlcad if you get a build failure, should be trivial to resolve at least locally
05:48.08 brlcad even better if you can fix it proper
05:51.18 harmanpreet hmm
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06:14.22 caen23 brlcad: is there any svn command to find out the latest rev number without downloading the updated files?
06:16.20 harmanpreet brlcad: It seems like a brlcad file is clashing with linux system file. Linux does not require that declaration. Then the possible solution is to rename the variable 'off_t' to something like ms_off_t in every file where it exists. So, if you can confirm, I can submit a patch for the same.
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09:15.30 Notify 03BRL-CAD:phoenixyjll * 55252 brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tests/CMakeLists.txt: Add a test program to test the SSI functionality.P.S. It seems there's a bug in the draw command in MGED on pipe primitives.
09:21.40 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Phoenix * 5110 /wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2013/Proposal: /* Things I have done this year */
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09:43.08 brlcad caen23: svn info
09:43.27 brlcad svn info .
09:43.33 Notify 03BRL-CAD:phoenixyjll * 55253 brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tests/test_ssi.cpp: Eliminate the compiling problems in Linux.
09:43.57 brlcad harmanpreet: think bigger picture
09:44.09 brlcad what if it weren't using off_t
09:44.39 brlcad perhaps uint32_t instead for example
09:44.46 brlcad what all might need to change
09:50.19 caen23 brlcad: it shows the number of the local copy. right now, i get 55251 instead of 55253
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09:59.43 brlcad caen23: oh you meant on the server, read that wrong
09:59.45 brlcad svn info https://svn.code.sf.net/p/brlcad/code/brlcad/trunk
10:01.36 caen23 ugh, makes sense. thanks
10:04.09 Notify 03BRL-CAD:phoenixyjll * 55254 brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tests/test_ssi.cpp: Remove the unnecessary conversion and debugging outputs.
10:04.58 brlcad np
10:10.38 harmanpreet brlcad: hey.. can you tell, how much it will be useful if we make a web interface of BRL-CAD where the user will play with interactive and easy GUI (front end) and at the back end, BRL-CAD will handle all the data.
10:12.11 harmanpreet this will be browser based, hence platform independent GUI.
10:25.52 brlcad it's hard to say how useful that would be at this point
10:26.10 brlcad I could see that being a viable option in 5-10 years, so perhaps worth working towards
10:26.14 brlcad but today, it's riddled with problem
10:26.37 brlcad several of the big CAD vendors have already done this, invested millions, and they've not exactly taken off
10:35.49 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Jasleen Kaur * 5111 /wiki/User:Jasleen_Kaur: Created page with "Name: Jasleen Kaur E-mail address: jasleen.7956@gmail.com IRC nickname: jasleen"
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11:27.42 Notify 03BRL-CAD:bob1961 * 55255 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/vmath.tcl: Added RAD2DEG as well as more precision to the value of DEG2RAD. Note - adding RAD2DEG fixes a bug in the pattern tool.
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11:35.09 harmanpreet oh.. this was another idea / proposed project for GSoC
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12:23.21 brlcad harmanpreet: I got that, it's worth having two proposals but you'd have to go into a fair bit of detail on "how"
12:23.54 brlcad may want to see where the GCI projects left off as one or two of those tasks involved web editing proof of examples
12:42.05 Notify 03BRL-CAD:bob1961 * 55256 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/pattern.tcl: This fixes a bug in MGED's pattern tool when using the cylinder pattern.
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12:49.25 brlcad n_reed: sent reply, hopefully before you hit the road
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13:02.28 Notify 03BRL-CAD:bob1961 * 55257 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/pattern.tcl: Update MGED's pattern tool by fixing pattern_cyl so that it accomodates the advertised -lr option.
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14:42.07 starseeker ok, this is just friggin cool: http://mediapreservation.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/extracting-audio-from-pictures/
14:49.07 ``Erik neat
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15:26.54 Ch3ck Hi
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15:29.03 Guest98294 Ch3ck_:
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15:30.07 Izak_ Ch3ck: How far?
15:30.44 Ch3ck yeah trying to submit my proposal to google..
15:32.44 code_walker guys can u tell how can i post an email to list members or mentors
15:33.18 Ch3ck yeah
15:33.24 Ch3ck goto brlcad.org and subscribe to the mailing list
15:33.34 code_walker i had done that
15:33.35 Ch3ck any let me give u the link
15:33.41 code_walker now what?
15:34.19 code_walker i have already subscribed at it
15:34.25 code_walker now what
15:35.59 code_walker should i sent a mail to brlcad-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
15:36.03 code_walker ?
15:37.31 cstirk harmanpreet: regarding your project ideas of 2d drawing from 3d models and browser gui there is some work you could build on
15:38.19 Izak_ Does anyone know how to go about implementing a primitive for brlcad?
15:38.38 harmanpreet cstirk: okay.. can I see them?
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15:39.05 Ch3ck code_walker: have you subscribed to the mailing list?
15:39.13 code_walker ya
15:39.20 code_walker what to do now?
15:39.21 Ch3ck ok
15:39.28 Ch3ck just check ur email
15:39.32 cstirk many projects use three.js or scene.js for 3D display using WebGL, check out step3d, babel3d, grabcad workbench, etc.
15:39.35 Ch3ck and see if there is a confirmation
15:39.45 Ch3ck to the subscription
15:39.54 code_walker i have done that confirmation part too
15:40.03 Ch3ck Hey guys i have just fiinished the first draft of my resume
15:40.20 Ch3ck can anyone please help me review it and give me some thoughts?
15:40.22 Ch3ck here is the link
15:40.39 code_walker check
15:40.45 code_walker what to do now?
15:40.47 Ch3ck code_walker: if you have done that then you can send an email to the mailing list
15:40.55 Ch3ck send an email to the mailing list
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15:41.00 Ch3ck it'll go
15:41.08 Ch3ck and introduce yourself
15:41.38 Ch3ck can anyone here please help me review my proposal?
15:41.40 code_walker u mean to this brlcad-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
15:41.41 Ch3ck here is the link
15:41.51 Ch3ck http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:NyahCh3ck20/Proposal
15:41.59 Ch3ck code_walker: yes
15:42.02 Ch3ck thats it.
15:42.06 cstirk drawings need annotations, and there are modeling standards for them like ANSI 14.41, and data standards in STEP
15:42.52 code_walker but whenever i sent an email to this it tells me this "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
15:42.52 code_walker been automatically rejected."
15:43.06 Notify 03BRL-CAD:bob1961 * 55258 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Ged.tcl: Updated GED_RAD2DEG to use the value found in vmath.h. Also added GED_DEG2RAD.
15:43.22 code_walker what to do i don't know?
15:43.38 harmanpreet cstirk: well thanks.. I am going with 2D drawings related project.
15:43.55 harmanpreet cstirk: can you give some reference links?
15:44.09 Ch3ck code_walker: you have not subscribed correctly
15:44.11 harmanpreet :)
15:44.20 Ch3ck or you have not activated ur email
15:44.21 Ch3ck try to subs to the mailing list again
15:44.21 Ch3ck and see what happends
15:45.18 code_walker k
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15:45.46 Notify 03BRL-CAD:bob1961 * 55259 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Minor tweak to ArcherCore::make
15:46.09 cstirk harmanpreet: here is a public source http://www.cax-if.org/documents/rec_prac_styling_org_v12.pdf
15:47.47 cstirk harmanpreet: the CAX-IF recommended practice for GD&T that is public is obsolete, and the new draft is private, but I can get you a copy
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15:50.57 cstirk harmanpeet: the public GD&T recommended practice http://www.cax-if.org/joint_testing_info.html#recpracs will give you an idea of the scope, but the modeling constructs have changed in the new draft
15:52.13 harmanpreet cstirk: thanks for your efforts.. :) need to check them thoroughly.
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15:59.17 Ch3ck Hey
15:59.24 code_walker check
15:59.25 harmanpreet cstirk: can you give any links to recent work done in the field of annotations in BRL-CAD?
15:59.43 code_walker i have to subscribe at sourceforge right?
15:59.43 Ch3ck code_walker: yes?
15:59.48 harmanpreet and any documentation if available?
16:00.03 Ch3ck well first have to subscribe to the mailing list
16:00.09 code_walker ya
16:00.11 code_walker where
16:00.12 Ch3ck before sourceforge
16:00.25 Ch3ck well let me give u the link
16:00.30 code_walker can u give me link of it
16:00.35 Ch3ck to subscribe to the mailing list
16:00.43 Ch3ck checking...
16:00.43 code_walker k
16:02.08 cstirk harmanpreet: brl-cad has done work on their STEP translator, but only geometry so far, not annotations http://stepcode.org/stepcode-use-doxygen/step-g_8cpp.html
16:04.39 code_walker check?
16:05.32 Izak_ Ch3ck_: is coming
16:07.24 jasleen I had download and compile the source code. Is there any documentation available to study its directory structure?
16:07.33 code_walker check u there?
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16:15.40 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Phoenix * 5112 /wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2013/Proposal: /* Calculating surface-surface intersection curves */
16:19.05 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Phoenix * 5113 /wiki/User:Phoenix/GSoc2013/Proposal: /* Reporting the intersections (API designing) */
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16:23.31 Ch3ck code_walker: sorry my computer is really disturbing
16:23.36 Ch3ck i had to restart..
16:23.41 code_walker ya
16:23.44 code_walker np
16:23.45 Ch3ck so have u subscribed.
16:23.52 code_walker ya
16:24.00 code_walker but same prob again
16:24.11 Ch3ck ok
16:24.19 Ch3ck is ur network connection good?
16:25.03 code_walker ya
16:25.56 code_walker u were about to give a link to where i should subscribe
16:25.59 Ch3ck if you try emailing the developer lists and it gives an error it means you have not subscribed
16:26.05 Ch3ck yeah
16:26.16 Ch3ck still working on it my network fails..
16:26.22 code_walker k
16:30.28 Ch3ck code_walker: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/brlcad-devel
16:31.01 code_walker ya
16:31.12 code_walker i have subscribed at this only
16:31.16 Ch3ck subscribe using that link
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16:31.30 Izak cad
16:32.11 code_walker k after this i have just send whatever i want at this brlcad-devel-owner@lists.sourceforge.net
16:32.25 code_walker through my gmail account
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16:32.52 Izak_ Ch3ck_: Have you submitted the proposal to Google ?
16:38.53 Ch3ck Izak: still working on it..
16:38.54 Ch3ck code_walker: yeah do that and tell me what happens next
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16:43.08 Ch3ck brlcad: are you there?
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16:54.56 Izak_ have u finished with it/
16:56.27 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:NyahCh3ck20 * 5114 /wiki/User:NyahCh3ck20/Proposal: /* Overall Structure Pull routine */
16:59.00 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:NyahCh3ck20 * 5115 /wiki/User:NyahCh3ck20/Proposal: /* The Working of the Pull Routine */
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17:03.06 brlcad code_walker: that is not the right address
17:03.33 brlcad the address for the mailing list is on the page you subscribed from (and in your confirmation e-mails)
17:03.38 brlcad it's not brlcad-devel-owner
17:06.19 code_walker i have sent my mails to brlcad-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
17:06.56 code_walker this is the address provided to me in my confirmation mails
17:09.20 brlcad that's the right address
17:09.53 code_walker but whenever i sent a mail to it i get this mail saying "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected"
17:09.56 brlcad folks, you should submit something to google-melange, even if entirely woefully incomplete IMMEDIATELY
17:09.59 brlcad don't wait until you're done
17:10.11 brlcad every year, someone misses the deadline
17:10.30 brlcad you can keep editing it up until the deadline
17:10.33 brlcad we don't read them until after
17:10.42 brlcad (unless you put it up on our wiki for feedback)
17:14.16 brlcad will catch up on the backlog questions in a little bit, please wait if you asked a question -- I will answer so long as you're here eventually
17:17.49 vladbogo hello
17:18.50 vladbogo can you give me a hint where to look in order integrate the keyboard between qt and tk?
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17:20.57 Izak_ Phoenix_: Are u there?
17:21.03 Ch3ck Phoenix: u der?
17:41.40 caen23 is there a way to skip receiving gsoc-related mail from the list, or should i look into setting up filters with gmail?
17:45.19 Izak_ caen23: You need to make adjustments by writing to brlcad-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net. The subject of the message should be HELP.
17:56.45 kanzure haha what.. that wont add a filter to his email client.
17:57.16 kanzure i am very confused
17:57.29 Ch3ck abt?
17:58.10 kanzure why you would expect an email to brlcad-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net to configure gmail
18:05.12 caen23 if people would prefix their subject with "gsoc", a filter would be trivial, but i don't imagine they could be bothered, so i've set digests for now
18:06.31 kanzure are you one of the mentors?
18:06.44 caen23 no
18:35.11 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Vladbogolin * 5116 /wiki/User:Vladbogolin/Proposal:
18:39.04 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Vladbogolin * 5117 /wiki/User:Vladbogolin/Proposal:
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19:51.18 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Vladbogolin * 5118 /wiki/User:Vladbogolin/Proposal:
20:11.15 brlcad shakes his head violently as he hits the "send" button on the big report e-mail
20:11.36 brlcad it came together, but damn that was tough this go-round
20:11.51 brlcad n_reed: thank you once again, your section was easily the easiest :)
20:12.23 brlcad starseeker: your visuals were great, much of the report centers around that test case and how it impacts so much
20:39.11 brlcad vladbogo: to answer your question, some more context is needed
20:39.36 brlcad if you're making a qt display manager, they don't directly have a notion of key control, so you'd have to work that into your plan
20:39.59 brlcad or start with mouse control as a primary goal first
20:40.24 brlcad try to involve Tk as absolutely minimal as possible (if you can avoid it entirely, even better)
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20:41.14 vladbogo brlcad i was thinking on looking on how actually tk deals with keyboard/mouse in order to make an idea
20:41.24 brlcad caen23: it's the same mailing list so you could unsubscribe or switch it to digets for a while, or filter
20:41.59 brlcad vladbogo: you might first want to fully understand what it means to be a brl-cad DM
20:42.10 brlcad did you make the debug dm?
20:42.15 vladbogo yes
20:42.31 brlcad okay, so you have your set of functions.. which of those involved keyboard?
20:42.59 brlcad because theoretically, you could have keyboard input (via bu_fgets() for example) on the debug console even
20:43.38 brlcad as an experiment if anything
20:44.37 brlcad kanzure: caen23 was (by far) are most awesome GCI participant
20:44.40 brlcad hence the list
20:45.33 brlcad lots of cool things to come out, but he did levels of awesome that only a few others came close to rivaling
20:45.38 kanzure huh?
20:46.23 kanzure oh you are saying these things because i asked if he was a mentor?
20:50.06 brlcad yep
20:52.32 vladbogo brlcad: I see common_dm involves mouse
20:53.00 vladbogo that was the problem: I couldn't actually find the function that dealt with mouse or keyboard
20:53.19 vladbogo I forgot that there are dm related sources in the mged folder
20:54.15 vladbogo and also today I tried to compile the sources on windows
20:54.43 vladbogo but I got a LNK1104 that some libraries couldn't be opened
20:55.16 vladbogo as I researched this is some visual studio issue and the path to additional libraries should be quoted
20:55.41 vladbogo I mention that I used Visual Studio 2012 and Windows 8 x64
20:57.09 vladbogo I saw in the installation instructions that VS 2010 is recommended
20:57.24 vladbogo should I try using VS 2010?
21:01.19 brlcad vladbogo: so you could frankly propose to eliinate all of the dm-related source in mged, and that would make a fantastic gsoc proposal (if you were capable of such a refactoring)
21:01.25 brlcad that code shouldn't live in there
21:01.49 brlcad it exists because someone thought it easier to just hack those in than to modify DM proper to suit whatever needs it called for
21:02.01 brlcad and now it's a bit of an entangled mess
21:02.07 brlcad lot of duplication and gotchas
21:03.21 brlcad I don't recommend developing on windows, because you will have to resolve compilation issues there predominantly by yourself, but you're welcome to use it in any way you can
21:04.15 brlcad we should compile everywhere and with every version, so you should fix the error before ignoring it and trying another version if you want to help us progress forward
21:04.27 vladbogo I will consider also a refractoring-project
21:05.27 vladbogo I do not consider developing on windows but I taught I should compile it also as the project should be cross-platform
21:06.38 vladbogo the error seems to be quite easy to solve but I don't really know is how cmake makes the VS project
21:07.40 vladbogo because I tried a manual modification on the additional libraries for a smaller target (not build all) and didn't get the error
21:08.09 vladbogo i simply modified ../../lib to "../../lib"
21:08.37 vladbogo but in order to make it work this should be done by cmake
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21:21.59 vladbogo well thanks a lot for your help
21:22.32 vladbogo if I will have time to see how cmake actually creates the VS project I will try to solve the compilation error
21:25.25 tofu great
21:26.58 brlcad cmake generates build projects based on the CMakeLists.txt files (and files in misc/CMake/*.cmake)
21:27.24 brlcad it's a simple scripting language, so adding quotes is easy and probably in just one place ..just have to find that place
21:27.55 vladbogo ok then I will try to see if I get any results
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23:18.16 starseeker winces - sorry brlcad, you should have pinged me, maybe I could have done a bit better sending you stuff. Glad the visuals helped - that's actually where the "drawing small spheres" bug (if it is a bug) showed up
23:53.38 Notify 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55261 brlcad/trunk/src/librt/tests/test_ssi.cpp: Per Code Conventions section in hacking, don't use straight-up strcpy and strcat. Go with vls strings instead. To run the check for these cases, build the 'regress-repository' target - e.g. 'make regress-repository'

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