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02:26.51 tofu_ hi maryannexe
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02:29.06 maryannexe hi!
02:30.04 brlcad maryannexe: what interests you?
02:34.07 maryannexe gui, interested in cross-platform 2D framebuffer task
03:02.57 brlcad maryannexe: very good, have you worked with any of our framebuffers tools yet?
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03:33.40 maryannexe No, did not participate in the development of brl-cad before. interested in the project when I chose an organization within gsoc, so I decided to choose something from the easier tasks.
03:35.18 kesha brlcad: I looked at other STEP projects. I think I can do on AP242 Parser.
03:35.47 kesha brlcad: But I am afraid that I have very less time for making proposal and to do research on that
03:40.43 maryannexe I am engaged in 3d graphics and design so I would like to contribute to the development of the project associated with it )
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03:42.22 kesha brlcad: I am confused as to should I polish my previous propsal or be brave enough and go for AP242 Parser ?
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03:59.46 avneet hi
04:00.00 avneet http://brlcad.org/wiki/Help ; This link os not working
04:00.09 avneet os / is
04:00.37 avneet Actually i want to create a wiki page there.
04:04.41 kesha avneet: Go to the address where you want to create wiki page and click on edit. Create, Preview and Update.
04:09.23 kesha brlcad: Any suggestions ?
04:13.22 avneet I am doing the same, but some formatting problem there.
04:25.44 zero_level avneet: For submitting the proposals, first login into your BRL-CAD account and then go to wiki pages, write the URL and create a page. You can copy-paste your proposal over there, Click on Show Preview to see how it looks and then finally save !
04:26.31 zero_level avneet: this is copy of the message on mailing list
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04:41.22 zero_level avneet: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing this has the guidelines for formatting
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04:51.29 avneet Here is my proposal : https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/avneet/1#
04:51.33 brlcad kesha: you certainly have your work cut out for you, but there is still lots of time for writing a good proposal
04:51.51 avneet If any modifications are required, then please tell me
04:52.29 brlcad if you put it on the wiki and reference a link to the wiki in your gsoc-submission (and this goes for everyone), you'll be able to keep updating and improving the wiki page after the deadline. we may have some of you do that anyways.
04:52.34 kesha brlcad: can I modify proposal after 14 hrs
04:52.36 kesha ?
04:53.04 kesha brlcad: thats good.
04:53.11 brlcad you can modify it on our wiki
04:53.33 brlcad what's in melange becomes read-only after the deadline
04:54.07 brlcad still, it shouldn't take more than a couple days to write a strong proposal -- you can then focus on writing an interesting patch to demonstrate your ability level
04:54.47 kesha brlcad: Right now, I have made two idea proposal- STEP library and Code Refacotring . Should I withdraw any of them or keep both ?
04:54.59 brlcad keep both
04:55.34 zero_level brlcad: i have taken up your suggestions from yesterday's IRC
04:55.34 brlcad indicate which is your first priority if one is more interesting to you than the other
04:55.39 brlcad excellent
04:56.35 kesha brlcad: Can you give some pointers to start with AP242 parser ? I also want to understand AP203 and AP214 .
04:57.00 brlcad kesha: wikipedia has a good intro to the STEP APs
04:57.13 kesha brlcad: Do you mean writing both ideas in one propsal only?
04:58.27 brlcad nope
04:59.06 brlcad if you submit two proposals, tell us which is the priority
04:59.16 brlcad put it in both proposals
05:03.23 kesha brlcad: okay. And any links to tutorials or Docs discussing BRL-CAD using hardwired AP203 and problems they face now, etc.
05:09.39 brlcad kesha: nope, you're best bet is to compile stepcode (src/other/step) and try to understand file-wise how AP203 currently is parsed, how sources are generated, and what happens when you replace 203 with 214 now.
05:11.42 zero_level brlcad: i still think image formats are going to be important. but as per your suggestion some time saving is done in last weeks. so that enough time is alotted to other image functionalities.
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05:31.42 kesha brlcad: okay and what about the git repo containing STEP code?
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11:06.19 brlcad kesha_: what about it?
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11:32.57 rays2pix Is it fine to put up a shorter version in melange and a detailed proposal in wiki?
11:33.31 kesha brlcad: I mean is that the origin for src/other/step? The latest change was 18 days ago, so in case I might not be having the latest diffs merged, so do I pull it from there ?
11:38.34 brlcad kesha: if you're selected to work on a STEP project, you will be using the github sources and our converter in src/conv/step, so "yes"
11:39.48 brlcad rays2pix: I suggest putting all the detail you have on the wiki into melange, but also link to the wiki
11:40.05 brlcad so it'll be clear how far along you got by the deadline and how much is after
11:40.54 rays2pix brlcad: sure
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11:54.41 kesha brlcad: am looking forward to.. :)
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12:45.32 maths22 brlcad: could I get the photoshop version of the logo?
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13:46.23 jasleen starseeker: I had written a proposal and submitted it (new cross platform display manager)
13:47.08 jasleen starseeker: I planned to create a new Cross platform GUI in it.
13:47.27 jasleen Is it ok?
13:48.19 jasleen I will integrate command line, graphic window, menu bar, toolbar all in onw window.
13:48.32 jasleen Is this what a project was?
13:48.42 jasleen I am confused. Help me.
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14:51.16 jasleen Now, it clears me what my actual project is
14:51.18 jasleen :)
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16:37.37 cstirk kesha: please sign up for the stepcode google group and post a link to your proposal on the brlcad wiki
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16:42.52 kesha cstirk: Link ? I didn't get you. and yes, I joined the google group.
16:43.51 cstirk kesha: post a message to the stepcode google group with the web link to your proposal
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16:44.56 cstirk kesha: look through the stepcode github issues to understand some of the issues that have been resolved, or have been identified
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16:45.17 kesha cstirk: But still the proposal is not framed and polished well. Should I do it now or after the project on wiki page is updated well ?
16:45.44 cstirk kesha: say you are seeking commments/suggestions
16:46.21 cstirk kesha: include in your proposal identified issues that you can work on
16:48.15 kesha cstirk: okay. And am right now confused between improving STEP library and STEP AP Parsing. So, actually I am not able to target well. I think I should take one of the two paths and move forward.
16:49.29 cstirk kesha: STEP Libraries seems closer to your interests in refactoring
16:50.51 kesha cstirk: Yes, That I have put on second priority before STEP AP.
16:51.16 kesha cstirk: Okay, then am sticking to that one right now.
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16:55.17 kesha cstirk: Do I just look at cleanup issues or others also ? https://github.com/stepcode/stepcode/issues?labels=cleanup&page=1&state=open ??
16:57.59 cstirk kesha: cleanup is a good place to start
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17:01.34 cstirk kesha: also look at others like #170, #90, 197
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17:05.46 kesha cstirk: part 21 related ones. okay.
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18:04.07 kesha cstirk: Sent the mail and added some issues on proposal page.
18:05.03 cstirk kesha: I am looking through your proposal now
18:06.39 kesha cstirk: point out the modifications required.
18:07.33 cstirk kesha: #227 may be done already, say that you will review issues and help get them organized
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18:11.25 kesha cstirk: done
18:17.20 kesha cstirk: Anything else needs to be added or modified ?
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18:18.31 cstirk kesha: looks good so far
18:20.18 kesha cstirk: Okay. :)
18:23.43 cstirk kesha: good luck, it is an important project and you will get to apply your C and C++ skills
18:28.22 kesha cstirk: Thanks. I am looking forward to learn and gain new skills, apply my knowledge to large codebase and get a memorable experience and an idea of working with OpenSource. This is the best possible use of my 3 month summer holidays. Thanks BRL-CAD and all developers for your guidance till now once again!
18:30.44 cstirk kesha: get your application into gsoc, and keep revising your plan on the wiki as you learn more and get some feedback
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18:45.21 brlcad wow, we've got far more detailed proposals than I realized were coming in
18:45.41 brlcad this will be quite a competitive selection this year
18:47.30 brlcad 12 minutes until the submission deadline remaining
18:53.38 kesha cstirk: sure. :excited:
18:54.58 kesha brlcad: Countdown goes to 5 minutes !
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19:18.16 brlcad pencils down!
19:18.33 brlcad so we'll be reading and reviewing proposals over the next couple weeks
19:19.07 brlcad the one thing that students can do in the meantime is answer any questions we post as comments
19:19.15 brlcad and, of course, become familiarized with the code
19:19.45 brlcad work on a patch if you haven't yet, work on another if you have -- the better handle we have on your skill level, the stronger your proposal will be
19:20.21 brlcad doc changes and new code are okay, but really want to see logic/code getting modified
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19:46.59 ``Erik http://www.squareonemail.com/un-happy-35th-birthday-to-spam-emails/
19:50.36 zero_level ``Erik: now since the deadline is over. And I dont know if i you have seen my proposal. Please give some feedback on my proposal so that i can start the work
19:51.30 zero_level ``Erik: here is the link http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Level_zero/proposal
19:56.18 ``Erik whoa, deadline already hit? time flies O.o
19:57.34 ``Erik zero_level: sorry, I didn't realize you wanted me to review your proposal, I can provide comment and perhaps offer ideas for suitable pre-gsoc patches, if you still want...
19:58.11 zero_level ``Erik: yeah sure
19:58.49 zero_level Actual I wanted to know if my plan for icv is in sync with the organisation's need
20:00.15 zero_level *Actually
20:02.54 ``Erik yeah, the hope for that idea/project was to have all these image converters be reduced down to a couple library calls
20:03.53 ``Erik personally, I think it'd be neat to have them all be a single actual binary, hardlinked and the name is used to set the read and write file types (like gzip/gunzip both point to the same inode)
20:04.16 ``Erik might want to clean up the spelling errors, though... :)
20:04.32 ``Erik implemnetation, commong, ...
20:05.37 zero_level and about other image functioanlities
20:06.04 zero_level spelling i was never good at them.. editting now. :)
20:08.18 ``Erik rotate, scale, interpolate, etc? yeah... libicv was intended to be a mini-ImageMagick
20:08.36 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:14.139.243.162 * 5240 /wiki/User:Level_zero/proposal: /*Spellings*/
20:10.58 zero_level yeah meant ?
20:12.19 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:14.139.243.162 * 5241 /wiki/User:Level_zero/proposal: /* Categories of Image Processing Functions */
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20:17.05 zero_level ``Erik: so am i on track with the needs
20:17.24 ``Erik yes
20:18.33 zero_level ``Erik: i want to understand the patches in BRL-CAD from you. How is a submitted patch accepted in the main code
20:20.43 ``Erik when it's put into the tracker, one of the committers will apply it to their tree, review it, etc... if it's all good, it'll be committed and info like the originator, sourceforge artifact id, and purpose will be added to the log....
20:22.02 ``Erik a trusted committer will act as gatekeeper until it's agreed that the submitter is competent and trustworthy, the submitter becomes a trusted committer... :)
20:25.16 zero_level ``Erik: K
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21:21.06 rays2pix Finally managed to submit the proposal just few minutes before deadline.
21:22.37 rays2pix I have doubts on approaching openCL, openCL does have image types but says its not supported in all devices
21:22.59 rays2pix Should we be using vector based approach or take advantage of image types
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23:50.47 zero_level ``Erik: what is the policy to assign mentors in BRL-CAD. although i read that it will be all mentors mentoring all the participants. but still will their be some pairing

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