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03BRL-CAD:n_reed * 55576
brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h: fix two macros that referenced a
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brlcad |
now there's a surprising name |
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brlcad/trunk/src/fb/fb-rle.c: one more, don't document the
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03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55581
brlcad/trunk/src/util/bwhist.c: implement h,? |
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03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55582
brlcad/trunk/src/util/bwmod.c: implement h,? |
17:40.57 |
rays2pix |
Hi I am Deepak and would like to receive
feedback on my proposal |
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03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55583
brlcad/trunk/src/util/bwrot.c: implement h,? as help; 'h' for
high-res is replaced by 's 1024'; usage statement already had h
removed |
17:44.30 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: you are next on my list |
17:44.57 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: thanks.Will wait for it |
17:45.17 |
brlcad |
since you didn't specify on the mailing list,
would you like it public or private, irc or via e-mail? |
17:46.06 |
rays2pix |
I prefer IRC, but if you dont see me around
when you have time, you can send me a public email |
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03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55584
brlcad/trunk/src/util/bwscale.c: remove high-res ('-s 1024'
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brlcad/trunk/src/util/bwshrink.c: go with bu_getopt error messages;
high res changes from 'h' to '-s 1024'; implement h and ? for
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brlcad/trunk/src/util/bwstat.c: implement use of h and ? |
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brlcad/trunk/src/util/bwthresh.c: implement h and ? |
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18:29.58 |
Ch3ck |
Hi everyone... |
18:30.14 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: okay so looking over my notes for
your proposal now |
18:30.20 |
brlcad |
Ch3ck: hi |
18:30.26 |
rays2pix |
brlcad:cool |
18:30.28 |
Ch3ck |
hi |
18:30.47 |
Ch3ck |
brlcad: nice being with you all for this
summer of code |
18:31.01 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: your level of detail was good, very
good |
18:31.41 |
Ch3ck |
just wanted to know what perculiarity sorted
me out |
18:31.48 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: it was a technically useful and
interesting proposal, you expanded on our idea well
enough |
18:31.59 |
Ch3ck |
brlcad: some feedback on how my proposal
looked on the panel.. |
18:32.16 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: you were tied for ranking with
several other students as well, so it was a close/tough
call |
18:32.55 |
brlcad |
Ch3ck: if you hang around, I can hopefully get
to yours before jetting off |
18:33.12 |
Ch3ck |
ok thanks brlcad |
18:33.28 |
Ch3ck |
be right here just having a failing network
thats all.. |
18:33.35 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: Thanks. I want to know what could be
have been better. |
18:33.43 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: getting to that ;) |
18:33.55 |
rays2pix |
listening:! |
18:34.43 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: so first critique was your response
to my early feedback |
18:35.19 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: even ignoring that it took you
almost week to respond, you didn't seem to address the concerns
raised |
18:36.27 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: your proposed schedule is
impossible, attempting to do WAY too much in a very short amount of
time |
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18:37.42 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: I revised that after your comments. I
agree on be being late and not addressing other parts (you mean
testing?) |
18:37.43 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: you basicallly proposed integrating
a format a day for an entire month, several of which are completely
new formats that will be very difficult |
18:38.50 |
rays2pix |
brlcad:mm listening** |
18:40.40 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: you needed a drastic revision, e.g.,
no new formats or only one or two new formats and no old formats --
as written, you're basically claiming to be able to integrate and
refactor/rewrite AND test nearly 200k lines of code in under a
month ... that is basically impossible |
18:41.41 |
rays2pix |
brlcad:okay |
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brlcad/trunk/src/other/libregex/regex.h: Don't (re)define off_t
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18:41.51 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: it indicated either completely
unrealistic expectations or misunderstanding of the complexity
involved -- which is fine, that's why feedback was given -- but
then you didn't seem to take that feedback into as serious
consideration as it called for |
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18:44.14 |
rays2pix |
brlcad:I did go through samples of encoders
and decoders of the formats I included - I take in this feedback
will try to be realistic in my estimates |
18:44.55 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: your patches could have been better,
it seemed like something you pulled together without much
effort |
18:45.09 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: Response to feedback - I did modify my
schedule and work plan as per your comments. Still didnt understand
where you felt it was irresponsible |
18:45.38 |
rays2pix |
brlcad:Patches - I agree, it was just a
re-write |
18:46.15 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: rather, you just moved a function
and didn't even make the bwfilter tool use your function to
demonstrate that it works |
18:47.34 |
rays2pix |
brlcad:ok |
18:48.18 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: patches are expected to be
demonstrations of your ability so if the task is predominantly
moving/refactoring code, it needs to be complete or improved or
somehow requiring effort and though on your part |
18:48.34 |
brlcad |
your patch didn't really demonstrate much at
all other than you could move a function from one file to
another |
18:48.55 |
brlcad |
super aggressive schedule warranted a super
aggressive patch, didn't deliver |
18:49.38 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: :(! Agreed. Will spice up my coding
and estimation skills |
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18:50.40 |
Ch3ck |
hi.. |
18:50.42 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: so to your earlier comment, you did
modify your schedule, but it was still "crazy" ambitious ...
:) |
18:51.13 |
brlcad |
you reduced it from 200k lines to like 100k,
but you needed it get it down to something like 10-20k |
18:51.26 |
brlcad |
Ch3ck: you don't need to say hi every time
;) |
18:52.14 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: mm. Looks like I lost my time mostly
on collecting details. Next time I will restrict that to what fits
in time line |
18:52.19 |
Ch3ck |
aight.. |
18:53.23 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: yeah, like I said earlier too -- we
could have worked with that, further reduced the scope even more ..
but it was just too little too late and there wasn't code to back
up your ability |
18:53.53 |
brlcad |
had you come in the channel a couple weeks
earlier or responded more quickly, we might have been able to
address the scope problem or you might have had more time to work
on a better patch at least |
18:54.02 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: I agree with that. if i had got in to
review process a little early, we could have found out this
problem |
18:54.02 |
brlcad |
open source is all about
communication |
18:54.11 |
brlcad |
early, often, better, more |
18:54.59 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: Sure. Its my mistake. I was checking
melange everyday still around 10th, but some how lost on it. My
mistake that I failed to turn on email notification as
well |
18:55.00 |
brlcad |
you were on the cusp, just too many issues and
enough students that didn't have quite as many before all slots
were filled up |
18:56.37 |
brlcad |
there's still plenty of opportunity to get
involved this year if you're able and interested, gsoc orgs love to
see prior participation as a vetting of ability |
18:56.58 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: did you have any specific
questions? |
18:57.34 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: thanks Sean for your time.That really
helps. I enjoy being around here and would come up with
patches. |
18:57.59 |
brlcad |
thank you for your interest, hope you do
contribute |
18:58.46 |
brlcad |
I've seen many students get rejected one year
only to begin participating with an org and get a solid acceptance
the next year ... many times |
18:59.44 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: Sure. Your feedback was very valuable.
I treasured the mentoring opportunity more than the cash and I am
sure its still available! |
19:00.04 |
rays2pix |
Will find an area to work on and get you guys
on mailing list |
19:00.10 |
brlcad |
sounds great |
19:00.29 |
brlcad |
pick something really small ;) |
19:00.49 |
brlcad |
the smaller the better |
19:01.34 |
rays2pix |
huh sure:). Learnt it hard way |
19:03.06 |
rays2pix |
brlcad: Once again thanks for your time and
bye for now |
19:03.13 |
brlcad |
rays2pix: you're quite welcome |
19:03.18 |
brlcad |
see you around |
19:03.24 |
vladbogo |
hi all |
19:03.38 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: hi |
19:03.55 |
vladbogo |
first of all i want to say that I am really
enthusiastic about working with you all |
19:04.07 |
brlcad |
good :) |
19:04.27 |
zero_level |
vladbogo : same is true for me :) |
19:04.41 |
vladbogo |
brlcad: i would like to ask you to give me
some feedback when you have time |
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03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55589
brlcad/trunk/src/mged/cad_boundp.c: provide for ? and h, and exit
program immediately if those or an illegal option are
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19:09.32 |
vladbogo |
also i saw on the melange page that my
assigned mentor is D. Rossberg. Can you tell me his email address
in order to contact him? |
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brlcad/trunk/src/mged/cad_parea.c: move Usage to stderr; remove
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03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55591
brlcad/trunk/src/fb/cell-fb.c: h and ? provided for help; use '-S
1024' for high-res) |
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brlcad |
vladbogo: some review feedback for you,
overall a very strong proposal (both of them really) |
20:12.09 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: if you end up doing aspects of both
over the summer, that really is fine as they're both desireable
activities |
20:13.06 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: your first patch looked spot on,
your follow-up patches were gravy -- I hope to have them fully
reviewed/applied after our upcoming release is out |
20:14.52 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: you had competition for your
proposal topic but you did well demonstrating an understanding of
the complexity involved in your task and the technical problems to
be overcome |
20:15.34 |
vladbogo |
brlcad: thanks for your feedback |
20:16.47 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: I have my doubts that you'll be able
to get to any embedded framebuffer aspects, but it's not a bad goal
to set in the schedule |
20:16.47 |
vladbogo |
as it comes to patches the last one i can't
say that it proves any skills. I've just submitted it following
your request on the mailing list |
20:17.24 |
brlcad |
your difficulty will probably be your
availability before gsoc begins, to ensure you get all of the
preliminary work out of the way (some of which you've already done
well with) |
20:17.45 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: being able to address little quick
problems like that demonstrates skill |
20:17.50 |
brlcad |
and initiative |
20:19.14 |
vladbogo |
brlcad: that's the most unclear aspect of the
project. I hope that all the features will be implemented and i
will do my best to do so. |
20:20.42 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: just remember the desirability
criteria on
http://brlcad.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code/Acceptance#Participation_Requirements
... that last point in particular |
20:20.52 |
brlcad |
you've got a complicated but succinct
project |
20:21.05 |
brlcad |
you just want to make sure that it's always
"done" every step along the way |
20:21.28 |
zero_level |
brlcad: can i have a feedback regarding the
uses of icv library for BRLCAD |
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vladbogo |
as it comes to the second patch i tried to do
my best to eliminate all the #ifdefs in dm-generic. If you think
that my approach it's better then the existing one, the patch has
to be fully implemented. |
20:22.43 |
brlcad |
zero_level: maybe later, vladbogo is up
next/now |
20:22.47 |
brlcad |
but yes, you cad :) |
20:22.51 |
brlcad |
s/cad/can |
20:22.55 |
brlcad |
jeez, can't type |
20:23.12 |
``Erik |
<PROTECTED> |
20:23.20 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: yeah, that patch has to be studied
more carefully |
20:23.25 |
brlcad |
I took it at face value |
20:23.42 |
vladbogo |
brlcad: thanks for your advice. I plan to test
every aspect and then move to the other |
20:24.32 |
brlcad |
that's good, but what coding complete usuallly
means is not putting problems off for later |
20:24.42 |
Guest72124 |
Izak:How can I know who my Project mentor
is? |
20:25.03 |
vladbogo |
that's what i meant |
20:25.07 |
``Erik |
izak: you're the heart primitive,
right? |
20:25.11 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: like if you figure out how to open
up a Qt window, but have trouble figuring out how to
minimize/restore the window |
20:25.33 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: coding complete would generally have
you spend the time to figure it out before moving on to something
else |
20:25.40 |
vladbogo |
got it:) |
20:26.06 |
Guest72124 |
Yes I am |
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20:26.30 |
brlcad |
basically don't leave crumbs/turds that
someone else will have to clean up later |
20:26.45 |
brlcad |
even if that someone else is you and later is
tomorrow, don't do it ;) |
20:27.17 |
brlcad |
Guest72124: your mentor is everyone with
commit access |
20:27.20 |
``Erik |
izak: I believe I'm the mentor
administratively, but technical issues should be discussed in
public and whoever is available/capable will step up and
help |
20:27.55 |
brlcad |
yeah, and maybe try "/nick Izak" |
20:27.57 |
Guest72124 |
Thank you Erik |
20:28.08 |
``Erik |
bbiab, half to pick up a lil'un from daycare
O.o |
20:28.14 |
brlcad |
cya |
20:29.03 |
Guest72124 |
brlcad What does /nick mean? |
20:29.17 |
vladbogo |
brlcad: just read your mail an the mailing
list. Is there a wiki page with all mentor's emails? I can't find D
Rossberg's email. |
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20:56.27 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: you shouldn't need to e-mail him
directly |
20:56.31 |
brlcad |
didn't you read the e-mail? :) |
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vladbogo |
brlcad: it says to send an e-mail back to you
and your assigned mentor stating my agreement with the
participation requirements |
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zero_level |
vladbogo: are u talking of the mail sent on
brlcad-devel group |
21:09.07 |
``Erik |
vladbogo: for the most part, communications
should be public... (mailing list or irc) |
21:09.51 |
zero_level |
vladbogo: or you got a personalized mail
? |
21:10.09 |
vladbogo |
zero_level: yes I am talking about the email
send on the brlcad-devel-group |
21:14.06 |
zero_level |
vladbogo but i didnt find info to reply back
? |
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vladbogo |
`Erik: i know that we should make public
communication. That was related to our participation requirements
that I understood that we have to send to our assigned
mentor |
21:15.15 |
vladbogo |
zero_level: "SEND AN E-MAIL back to me and
your assigned mentor stating your agreement with our participation
requirements" that's a transcript from the email |
21:18.15 |
brlcad |
right right, my bad for forgetting that
detail |
21:18.25 |
brlcad |
i guess I should read it again ;) |
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03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 55592
(brlcad/trunk/src/anim/chan_add.c brlcad/trunk/src/anim/chan_mult.c
brlcad/trunk/src/anim/chan_permute.c): implement h and ? for 3
chan_* utilities |
21:20.28 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: you can just e-mail me and I'll pass
it along |
21:20.30 |
Izak_ |
`Erik: You said you are my administrative
mentor , right ? |
21:20.38 |
vladbogo |
brlcad: thanks for your help |
21:21.16 |
vladbogo |
also i will be waiting for the patches
feedback |
21:21.48 |
vladbogo |
do you think that I should start working on a
new patch in order to get commit access? |
21:22.55 |
``Erik |
Izak_: yes, is there an issue already?
:D |
21:27.57 |
Izak_ |
No no. I am good. |
21:41.14 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: your welcome and it can't hurt
(patches), maybe revisit your existing ones to make sure they are
pristine (run the sh scripts on them) |
21:45.11 |
vladbogo |
brlcad: thanks again. I will start revising
the existing ones because i'm really short of time these days. i'm
in full exams period (4 more to go :) ) |
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03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 55593
(brlcad/trunk/src/anim/anim_track.c
brlcad/trunk/src/anim/anim_turn.c and 3 others): usage functions
should be static, top-level function scope curlies go on their own
line, and indent first level with 4 spaces not tab. |
21:53.45 |
brlcad |
vladbogo: then yeah definitely just revisit
what you have and make sure your public description is
clean |
21:54.09 |
brlcad |
2-3 patches is plenty IFF they have no
problems ;) |
21:55.38 |
``Erik |
(for those without a lot of formal logic
study, 'iff' is code for "if and only if") |
22:00.38 |
vladbogo |
thanks again for your help. I have to go now
because it's quite late here. Speak to you soon |
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03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55594
brlcad/trunk/src/other/libregex/regex.h: Haiku's sys/types.h
doesn't use protective wrappers around its off_t definition, so
check directly. |
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03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55595
brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/affinity.c: Avoid a set-but-unused
warning. |
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03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55596
brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/heap.c: PAGESIZE is defined in Haiku's
limits.h file - check to avoid a define conflict. |