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03:27.12 brlcad anyone need gsoc help/feedback?
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07:02.12 inderplus_ harmanpreet: I was looking into GET bug, can you point me to a specific large enough file which produces that bug. It would really help me.
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11:09.22 andrei__ Hello
11:43.02 ``Erik oi
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14:49.26 harmanpreet inderplus_: You can reproduce that nug by uploading the file: /usr/brlcad/dev-x.y.z/share/db/havoc.g
14:49.45 harmanpreet *bug
14:49.49 inderplus_ Thanks :)
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15:48.11 richa Please give some reviews on http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Richajain1912/GSOC2014/
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16:12.10 gaganjyot jasleen: hi
16:12.21 gaganjyot inderplus_: ping
16:12.43 jasleen gaganjyot: hello
16:12.44 inderplus_ gaganjyot: hi
16:13.03 gaganjyot jasleen: what's the status of LibreCAD
16:13.07 inderplus_ gaganjyot: had a look at proposal, looks great!
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16:13.19 gaganjyot are there any other project ideas ?
16:13.28 gaganjyot Oh thanks inderplus_ :)
16:13.47 inderplus_ isn't it late to introduce project ideas now ?
16:14.00 gaganjyot inderplus_: even you please submit your proposal ASAP
16:14.10 inderplus_ yeah, writing it as you speak
16:14.11 gaganjyot I'd like to see it
16:14.16 inderplus_ sure!
16:14.41 inderplus_ Stay tuned to mailing list for about 90 minutes
16:14.43 inderplus_ ;)
16:15.02 gaganjyot inderplus_: I was just confirming if there are any other project ideas :)
16:15.12 gaganjyot inderplus_: Oh sure! :)
16:15.35 jasleen gaganjyot: dli has proposed 2 projects for current code
16:16.04 inderplus_ jasleen: librecad proposals will go to wiki too ?
16:16.08 gaganjyot jasleen: you mean smart snap and units project?
16:16.13 inderplus_ just like brl-cad proposals ?
16:16.32 jasleen gaganjyot: yes, they are in wiki
16:17.10 gaganjyot jasleen: alright :)
16:18.03 inderplus_ what about python scripting project for Librecad, it had a good priority, a year back.
16:19.11 jasleen inderplus_: Currently main focus is for LC3 kernel
16:19.24 inderplus_ jasleen: Great!
16:19.32 gaganjyot inderplus_: Since the code is to be rewritten
16:19.47 inderplus_ so will LC2 be discontinued ?
16:20.03 gaganjyot I guess the bindings created for LC2 wont be useful
16:20.20 gaganjyot inderplus_: no plans to discontinue it yet
16:20.47 gaganjyot A lot of work is to be done on LC3
16:20.59 gaganjyot so as to make it for a release
16:21.23 inderplus_ gaganjyot: Ok! :) Good Luck! Will try to be of some use.
16:21.39 inderplus_ I will try to be of some use.
16:21.40 inderplus_ :P
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16:58.18 ``Erik hm, for those who email the mailing list and plan on talking here, it may be helpful to indicate IRC name in the email or state your email name in IRC, so'z we can make the connections a little easier :)
16:59.50 ``Erik albertcoder: have you read up on the previous efforts for the material database? if you have questions/concerns/ideas, blurt them out... we're pretty chill and relaxed here :)
17:03.11 albertcoder well I have not read it up but would be pleased if I get the link
17:04.04 richa harmanpreet: I tried to give the upload option on model_display.php but that upload form is not working on this model viewer page
17:04.23 richa harmanpreet: Why so?
17:05.44 ``Erik albertcoder: there's no single link of everything for it, it'll take a bit of research.. iirc, it was worked on in a previous gsoc, with the original work being an effort by a non-gsoc non-BRL-CAD third party... sorry, dude, can't tell you the exact page, but there is stuff out there
17:06.16 ``Erik albertcoder: feel free to create a wiki page about it to help collect it all together, that'd be handy :D
17:07.29 ``Erik richa, harmanpreet: I believe php has a default maximum upload size that is pretty tiny, might be worth looking at?
17:07.40 albertcoder Erik:that's fine.I will do.
17:08.19 harmanpreet albertcoder: last year, Sean gave this link to a GSoC student regarding previous work of material database: http://brlcad.org/design/material.tar.gz
17:08.43 ``Erik awesome, thanks harmanpreet! :)
17:09.11 albertcoder thanks from me too :)
17:10.24 harmanpreet ``Erik: You are right, but richa's problem is different I think.
17:10.27 richa ``Erik: But that same upload form is working on another page, so I think thats a different issue, harmanpreet may be able to tell this exactly
17:10.50 harmanpreet richa: any errors you got?
17:11.11 beriukay hey, I sent an introduction yesterday to the mailing list. I'm Paul.
17:11.50 richa harmanpreet: no errors but i cannot choose any file
17:13.03 ``Erik richa, harmanpreet: is this on bz? if so, I can offer a little superuser help if you need it for researching the issue... sorry for the noise about php upload limits, didn't realize you were beyond it :)
17:13.27 ``Erik hi, Paul!
17:13.43 harmanpreet Erik: but the previous work of material database project is not usable at all I think (I may be wrong). People interested in this project may propose their fresh ideas.
17:14.23 harmanpreet Erik: bz?
17:15.04 ``Erik harmanpreet: it's a nontrivial task just to figure out how to define a material, thus the interest in building ontop of previous work...
17:15.16 ``Erik harmanpreet: bz is an old name for the brlcad.org server
17:15.24 ``Erik aka bz.bzflag.bz
17:15.43 harmanpreet ``Erik: richa has working copy on her machine.
17:15.55 richa harmanpreet: Should I send you a pull request and then you review that?
17:16.24 ``Erik cool, I'll shut the hell up then! :D good luck figuring it out
17:16.35 richa harmanpreet: It may be difficult to figure out the problem like this
17:17.50 harmanpreet richa: you can check your logs for any errors.
17:18.31 harmanpreet webservers like apache keep their logs for any errors / problems in webpages/ web applications.
17:18.53 albertcoder Erik: I have an idea for materials database project,may be that can help. How about integrating periodic table (with all elements) to our web interface? I guess that might be of substantial help for determining the traits of materials if we work a bit on it.
17:19.35 beriukay So, having no experience with BRL-CAD, is there any use for GLSL within this project?
17:21.08 ``Erik albertcoder: I dig that you're thinking first princepals, but it gets sooo much more complicated and pure elements are kinda rare... take, for example, stainless steel.. mostly composed of iron (Fe), carbon (C) and a little bit of chromium (Cr), right? but the brinell hardness is greater than any of those three materials...
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17:22.43 ``Erik or glob oxygen, carbon and hydrogen together... organic chemistry, right? and a bajillion "plastic" materials can be created from those three elements
17:24.17 ``Erik beriukay: there's been a lot of discussion on writing an alternative raytracer using the GPU, as well as all the shaders
17:25.21 beriukay thanks, I'll look for that
17:25.47 albertcoder Erik: yeah you are right indeed. Anyway I feel we can have a bit of advantage doing that. So that it might help to get the data for simple pure elements in detail. :)
17:27.27 albertcoder Erik: anyway it would be easy for me to get start if you could explain about the basic structure we want for this project .
17:27.39 ``Erik *shrug* all'z I can do is offer advice, and I'm not always right :)
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17:28.15 andrei__ ``Erik, are you familiar with rt^3 branch?
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17:29.18 ``Erik albertcoder: there are a set of measurements that are deemed 'useful' for materials... things like tensil strength, sheer strength, y modulus, density, brinell hardness, etc etc etc... the idea behind the material database is to try to build a public repository of this info
17:29.28 ``Erik andrei__: yeh?
17:30.28 andrei__ did you happen to take a look on my proposal? It's just a sketch so any feedback would help. Thanks!
17:31.38 ``Erik nope, haven't looked at any proposals at all :D
17:32.17 ``Erik do you have a URL for what you want me to look at?
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17:37.12 andrei__ sure
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17:37.43 andrei__ there
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17:43.48 albertcoder Erik: About how many parameters like bulk modulus,tensile strength etc. have to be defined specifically? I guess these can be derived as many as we would desire. Or do we have to care for only fundamental ones?
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17:46.20 ``Erik albertcoder: that's the hard part :D I think there're roughly 20 or so that the primary consumer of BRL-CAD likes to have that are zomfg material parameters (they also have large tables of very specific parameters... like "ice cream has a specific sweetness of 3, but ice cream with a banana has a specific sweetness of 3.1")
17:47.48 ``Erik I can't comment on the useful subset of material properties for that certain app, so my best advice would be to think towards extensibility?
17:48.46 albertcoder Erik: yeah fine :)
17:49.11 ``Erik I'm sure brlcad or starseeker could do a better job of providing a list of "useful" baseline attributes, but it might take them a while
17:50.00 gaganjyot ``Erik: just an opinion, since we don't know the exact tables and columns under each table, we can have a look at database which stores as key and value
17:50.14 gaganjyot ``Erik: like this one www.mongodb.org
17:50.24 albertcoder Erik: that's fine too.
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17:53.10 ``Erik gaganjyot: I don't believe there is any hard requirement for relational database, a NoSQL db alternative might be just fine... the trick is to find out the data to be stored and pick the right backend
17:53.53 ``Erik mongodb is already on the server, it'd be trivial to install cassandra, tokyo cabinet, etc...
17:55.02 gaganjyot ``Erik: I see
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17:56.21 ``Erik but it's very important to let the task pick the tools, not the other way around... do not fall into the "all I have is a hammer, therefor every problem is a nail" trap
17:57.14 ``Erik a competent developer would end up taking more time forcing a solution using wrong tools than they would learning the correct tools...
17:57.58 inderplus_ ``Erik: Could not agree more!
17:58.13 ``Erik (which is why all c++ projects take way too long *cough* *duck*)
17:58.14 gaganjyot inderplus_: yes :D
17:59.07 inderplus_ It must be co-incidence that we use same Example in Linux User Group Ludhiana's seminars :P
17:59.47 inderplus_ Now I have one more developer to back this view :)
17:59.56 ``Erik which example is that?
18:00.03 inderplus_ Hammer and Nail!
18:00.14 ``Erik heh, it's a standard meme
18:00.42 ``Erik I believe in the USA, the phrase is older than computers
18:01.17 ``Erik hm, now I want to look it up :/
18:02.03 ``Erik india, cool!
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18:02.38 albertcoder ``Erik:yeah that example enlightened me too :) Anyway thank you paying heed :)
18:02.45 ``Erik http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/if_all_you_have_is_a_hammer,_everything_looks_like_a_nail
18:03.49 ``Erik such is the existance of mentors
18:03.50 inderplus_ Yes, I was talking about using it in context of programming. That's new around here. :P '
18:04.29 inderplus_ We here have mostly tool-oriented courses and not task-oriented.
18:05.14 ``Erik inderplus_: the US is in the middle of such a transition... so we're very confused over here ;)
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20:23.18 infinite hi! I came across BRL CAD as mentoring organisation for GSoC. The projects seem interesting. It says application rrecommends submission of patch. What should be the patch about that I should submit, can anyone please guide?
21:00.16 inderplus_ Hi infinite, there's a list of open coding Tasks in GCI http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/google/gci2013/brlcad and they can be used as a patch. Read the checklist at http://brlcad.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code/Checklist .
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21:37.36 infinite thanks inderplus_ ! I found this link too http://brlcad.org/wiki/Contributor_Quickies, can anyone of these be also used for patches?
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21:41.04 inderplus_ I guess, yes! but this list was last edited in september 2012 so you have to figure out if the task you are deciding to do is already done.
21:41.51 brlcad infinite: mostly yes, but make sure the particular task isn't already completed (i.e., ask someone here)
21:41.51 inderplus_ What project interests you ?
21:42.10 brlcad ah, exactly what inderplus_ said :)
21:42.16 inderplus_ :)
21:42.42 brlcad there's also http://brlcad.org/wiki/Deuces but you should similarly ask
21:43.16 andrei__ hey, brlcad
21:43.26 brlcad hey andrei__
21:47.19 brlcad anyone done with their proposal?
21:47.36 inderplus_ I am working on mine.
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21:47.57 inderplus_ I mean, I have shared it on wiki but it's yet incomplete.
21:48.27 brlcad not a bad thing
21:48.39 inderplus_ http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Inderpreet/OGV_Proposal here it is
21:48.40 brlcad just wondering if anyone think's they're actually done yet
21:49.00 brlcad heh, possessive thinking
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21:50.50 brlcad inderplus_: appreciate all the discussion on the mailing list, keep it up
21:51.19 inderplus_ thanks :)
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21:58.46 devinder hi
21:59.12 devinder brlcad:
22:05.48 inderplus_ devinder: hi
22:06.16 devinder thnks for the response
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22:06.46 devinder have you submitted your proposal yet?
22:07.16 inderplus_ I have added to the wiki, Yet to get my enrollment letter from college :(
22:07.45 inderplus_ so can't do it on melange
22:08.58 n_reed ``Erik: thanks for mentioning shellcheck, going through sh/ was indeed a fun exercise
22:10.19 brlcad inderplus_: do you have a student ID card?
22:10.25 brlcad that can serve as a proxy
22:12.24 devinder inderplus_: yes that can solve the purpose too
22:12.32 inderplus_ I have it but it was issued in 2012,
22:15.24 inderplus_ I will get the letter by tomorrow, we have applied for a bonafide student certificate
22:18.06 devinder_ yeah well
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22:21.59 ``Erik n_reed: my condolances :( ;)
22:25.22 brlcad inderplus_: you can update the docs and provide additional ones later iirc, if you run into a problem
22:25.30 brlcad google will hunt you down if it's a problem
22:26.17 brlcad I don't see why a 2012 card wouldn't be "good enough for now", they'd just want more later
22:26.36 brlcad but that will let you at least submit if you need to since friday is the deadline
22:27.20 inderplus_ Ok, I'll upload whatever I have and then update when I get my letter.
22:35.52 brlcad or just keep that in mind if something happens and you don't get your paper by thursday
22:36.21 inderplus_ sure! thanks :)

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