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| 02:21.27 | hcurtis | Progress update: I've been working on converting my first C++ program from yesterday to a C program. It would not compile in Visual Studio 2010, but after some research and some trial and error, I got it to work. The process was a good lesson. If you'd like to offer feedback, here is the program: http://paste.lisp.org/+322R |
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| 07:07.45 | hcurtis | Progress update: I've been working on converting my second C++ program from yesterday to a C program. It will not compile in Visual Studio 2010, but I'm trying to come up with a solution. |
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| 07:49.56 | oana_ | hcurtis, why it won't compile? |
| 07:50.16 | hcurtis | I don't know. |
| 07:50.57 | oana_ | errors? or something? |
| 07:51.18 | hcurtis | It might have to do with Microsoft's extensions to the ANSI standards in Visual Studio 2010. I am trying to learn how to disable them. |
| 07:51.54 | mihaineacsu_ | hcurtis: what exactly happens when you try to compile it? |
| 07:52.43 | ankesh11 | hcurtis: Also, you should avoid using conio.h library, it's restricted to MS-DOS compilers and is not a part of ISO C. |
| 07:53.28 | hcurtis | mihaineacsu_: Run-Time Check Failure #3 - The variable 'numberOfIntegers' is being used without being initialized. |
| 07:54.30 | oana_ | hcurtis, did you initialize that variable before doing any checks on it? |
| 07:54.41 | hcurtis | mihaineacsu_: The lines in my program that create the error are printf("Enter the number of integers you want the memory space to contain: "); scanf_s("%i", numberOfIntegers); |
| 07:55.27 | hcurtis | ankesh11: Ok. Thank you. |
| 07:55.50 | oana_ | that's cause you are reading the number wrong... |
| 07:55.58 | oana_ | hcurtis, scanf_s example http://code.wikia.com/wiki/Scanf_s |
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| 07:57.02 | hcurtis | oana_: Thank you. |
| 07:58.24 | raj12lnm | hi all. |
| 08:00.18 | oana_ | hcurtis, welcome, try to understand why you should read the number like that and not how you did it... |
| 08:00.52 | hcurtis | For anyone who is curious, here is the program that will not compile in Visual Studio 2010: http://paste.lisp.org/+322V |
| 08:01.18 | hcurtis | oana_: Ok |
| 08:02.23 | oana_ | first of all, get rid of getch() and conio, it's not inter systems compatible |
| 08:02.40 | oana_ | you want your program to run on other systems too, conio.h is windows bound |
| 08:04.03 | mihaineacsu_ | hcurtis: if it's not immediately obvious, use google and see what results come up about scanf and how to use it properly |
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| 08:04.30 | pawleeq | hello |
| 08:04.59 | hcurtis | oana_: Ok |
| 08:05.58 | hcurtis | mihaineacsu_: oana_ sent me some great information. |
| 08:06.43 | oana_ | and scanf_s is microsoft specific too, so you should try and find something else, some other function that will work on other platforms too |
| 08:07.16 | oana_ | hint scanf, google that, it will work as scanf_s but it's not bound to the platform you are working on |
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| 08:14.15 | mihaineacsu_ | hcurtis: yes, the example is helpful, but you should aim to understand why it works like that. |
| 08:14.55 | hcurtis | oana_: Thank you for all of your help. The program compiles now. Now I just need to get rid of conio.h and getch(). |
| 08:15.20 | hcurtis | mihaineacsu_: I thank you also. |
| 08:19.15 | oana_ | hcurtis, do that and then read about pointers and how they work, that's what you did wrong with your scanf function |
| 08:19.46 | hcurtis | oana_: Ok |
| 08:23.33 | raj12lnm | brlcad and others : I saw an issue in src/libged/typein.c |
| 08:23.53 | raj12lnm | in line 1162 and 1172 there are same errors |
| 08:23.55 | raj12lnm | which is wrong |
| 08:24.05 | raj12lnm | shld i submit a patch for this ? |
| 08:24.16 | raj12lnm | Although I working on the python branch at github |
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| 10:55.49 | raj12lnm | brlcad : can u explain this sentence |
| 10:56.27 | raj12lnm | It is anticipated that there will be pts_per_curve+1 elements per curve, the first point being repeated as the final point, although this is not checked here. |
| 10:56.45 | raj12lnm | It is in src/libwdb/ars.c |
| 10:57.35 | raj12lnm | So if (1,0,0),(1,1,1),(1,1,2) are three points in a curve |
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| 10:59.49 | raj12lnm | then shld the float array corresponding to that curve be [1 1 2 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 2] (last one repeated) or simply [1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 2]. |
| 11:00.03 | raj12lnm | I am asking to just ensure the correctness of this array |
| 11:00.12 | raj12lnm | Please reply asap. |
| 11:00.13 | raj12lnm | thanks |
| 11:00.52 | raj12lnm | others are welcome to explain as well. |
| 11:00.53 | raj12lnm | thanks |
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| 13:18.33 | clock | hi all |
| 13:19.11 | clock | "The BRL-CAD source code repository is believed to be the oldest public version-controlled codebase in the world that's still under active development, dating back to 1983-12-16 00:10:31 UTC.[3]" |
| 13:19.23 | clock | Wow! |
| 13:28.03 | brlcad | hi clock |
| 13:28.11 | clock | brlcad, hi long time no see :) |
| 13:28.23 | clock | brlcad, wanna show my latest project :) |
| 13:28.35 | clock | http://ronja.twibright.com/distillcooker/ |
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| 13:40.29 | brlcad | clock: if they let czech's, you should set up a kickstarter or indiegogo page (far easier to send money) |
| 13:40.52 | clock | brlcad, they dont, and we already looked at these two and that failed through |
| 13:40.59 | clock | brlcad, im in zurich now by the way |
| 13:41.28 | brlcad | what about one of the other crowd-funding sites? there are a dozen or more of them |
| 13:41.34 | brlcad | surely one of them caters internationally |
| 13:41.40 | clock | i looked it at yesterday and found nothing interesting |
| 13:42.22 | clock | brlcad, we think it will be a big hit when it gets released |
| 13:42.26 | brlcad | heh, you mean you spent an entire day looking?! |
| 13:42.29 | clock | but I didn't use BRL-CAD |
| 13:42.32 | brlcad | yeah, must not be anything then :) |
| 13:42.36 | clock | brlcad, not entire day |
| 13:42.58 | clock | I used just normal vector drawing editor to do the drawings |
| 13:43.00 | brlcad | I'm being facetious |
| 13:43.24 | brlcad | i'm saying that rediculously little time investigating if you really are serious about receiving funding |
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| 13:44.05 | clock | brlcad, well as someone on the Twibright IRC pointed out, all the drinking water projects on kickstarter receive 0 or 1 donations |
| 13:44.16 | clock | we concluded its about - as criticized - "fund me, I'm useless" |
| 13:44.57 | clock | brlcad, now we have bank transfers in Europe for free :) |
| 13:45.08 | brlcad | no way i'm going to go through the hassle of setting up a wire transfer, but I would gladly donate if through a proper service |
| 13:45.42 | brlcad | the existence of projects that receive 0/1 donations is pretty much irrelevant |
| 13:45.44 | clock | brlcad, how much does a wire transfer cost you? |
| 13:45.46 | brlcad | it's about YOUR project |
| 13:45.57 | brlcad | and your salespitch / potential / viability |
| 13:46.09 | clock | brlcad, I think it shows kickstarter people are not interested in helping 800 million people who don't have drinking water |
| 13:46.33 | clock | I think they want "Pressy is here ->" or something that blinks, has USB, cloud, can be connected to iPhone and cool design |
| 13:46.45 | brlcad | eh, you're supposed to bring the people |
| 13:47.08 | clock | brlcad, well at the moment when just researching the funding platform takes comparable time to actually developing the project |
| 13:47.12 | brlcad | assuming this massive hoard of "kickstarter people" are just waiting to throw money at you (or anyone) is also rediculous |
| 13:47.28 | clock | I just said they are not |
| 13:47.45 | brlcad | you'd have your page exactly as you have it now, promote it however you would otherwise, but then when it comes time to actually send you money, you link to the kickstarter page |
| 13:48.10 | brlcad | I know you said they're not .. the fact that you'd even have that discussion is silly :) |
| 13:48.27 | brlcad | of course they're not, someone even thinking that at all is misguided |
| 13:48.49 | clock | I feel disrespected when you say "the fact that you'd even have that discussion is silly :)" |
| 13:49.10 | brlcad | it's not that "kickstarter people are not interested in helping 800 million people who don't have drinking water" .. it's that nobody with a drinking water plan has brought people to the site to fund them |
| 13:49.23 | clock | brlcad, there are 2 things with kickstarter I dont like: |
| 13:49.27 | clock | 1) they take 5% off |
| 13:49.30 | brlcad | no discrespect intended, this is advice |
| 13:49.43 | clock | 2) if the donations dont get collected within 60 days it all fails |
| 13:49.46 | brlcad | plain and simple, your primary/sole method of funding is exceptionally limited |
| 13:50.20 | clock | I feel disrespected when you say this is advice. I think its not advice, I think its judgmental untrue and presented in a way like you were here to determine what is true and what not, and not presented as just your opinion |
| 13:50.28 | brlcad | i'm a potential funder that would be interested, and that's my feedback to you .. |
| 13:50.44 | clock | brlcad, how much does an IBAN transfer cost you? |
| 13:51.24 | brlcad | okay, well then I apologize for offending you, as that is most certainly not the intention in any regard |
| 13:51.38 | brlcad | and since this discussion is getting off track I'm just going to leave it at that, I wish you the best of luck |
| 13:52.13 | brlcad | really did not intend to disrespect and I feel you're not hearing me, so again my apologies for going down that route |
| 13:52.19 | oana_ | clock, what brlcad tries to say I think it's that "normal" people won't go and make a wire transfer for just 10$, if I would want to help you I don't think I would go out and wire transfer just 10$... |
| 13:53.04 | oana_ | and actually you would have better chances of getting 10$ from 100 people than getting 10k from 1 person... that way. Just my 2 cents. |
| 13:54.27 | clock | oana_, whats the issue with wire transfer? |
| 13:54.46 | clock | In my online bank I just type in the IBAN and name and press OK and it gets transferred within Europe for 0,- |
| 13:54.57 | clock | Is IBAN more difficult in the US? |
| 13:55.04 | clock | brlcad, how much does an IBAN transfer cost you? |
| 13:55.05 | brlcad | exceptionally |
| 13:55.16 | clock | wow |
| 13:55.19 | clock | what does it involve? |
| 13:55.25 | clock | you have to personally go to the bank? |
| 13:56.09 | brlcad | you realize this involves sending money to a foreign country, there are extensive laws and rules around this to prevent money laundering, fraud, and a host of other issues |
| 13:56.34 | oana_ | clock, for example I am from Romania, things don't work like that here, I can't just transfer you money from my account, since it's in my local currency, I would have to go to the bank and do some stuff there/things I don't actually know how to do it, just to transfer those 10$ |
| 13:56.36 | brlcad | you usually have to personally go to the bank, depending on the amount have to have items declared or notorized |
| 13:56.51 | clock | oh wow |
| 13:56.53 | brlcad | even if you don't go to the bank, usually original signatures are required |
| 13:57.01 | clock | here it gets automatically converted |
| 13:57.17 | clock | brlcad, and how much do the fees cost? |
| 13:57.21 | brlcad | and the fee can be anywhere from $10 to $50 USD depending on the bank and amount being transferred (some take a %) |
| 13:57.26 | clock | I see |
| 13:57.30 | clock | and if I had a paypal? |
| 13:57.33 | oana_ | well, we are more bureaucrats around here... |
| 13:58.11 | clock | how much does western union cost to send? |
| 13:58.24 | clock | brlcad, and how is it easier if it would be through kickstarter? |
| 13:58.32 | brlcad | paypal would be one of many possible "a proper service" I just mentioned, though they are one of the worst |
| 13:58.51 | brlcad | kickstarter et al all are set up to receive payments in any number of ways |
| 13:59.22 | clock | yes I had paypal and I deleted it |
| 13:59.23 | brlcad | e.g., credit card, done or hook into amazon or bank or any number of things where it becomes as simple as filling out a form and hitting send |
| 13:59.37 | clock | because of concerns with abuse from the side of paypal, various juristic traps etc. |
| 13:59.53 | clock | arbitrariness and many reports of abuse from paypal I read from people on the Internet |
| 14:00.01 | brlcad | that said, I would not at all be surprised if they don't support international projects for the same reason |
| 14:00.21 | brlcad | there really are a lot of ways to launder/fraud money and it's risky business |
| 14:00.24 | clock | brlcad, I remember last time I looked at kickstarter they required project to be in UK or US or something like that |
| 14:00.31 | clock | what about bitcoin? |
| 14:00.51 | clock | could you send bitcoin easily? |
| 14:00.52 | brlcad | paypal is a pain to deal with but they're one of a few that do allow it iirc |
| 14:01.32 | clock | brlcad, what about aggregating donations from few friends/acquaintances and then send it through a PITA channel? |
| 14:01.45 | brlcad | better than a wire, but I wouldn't call it easy |
| 14:02.01 | clock | brlcad, on Ronja many people sent me through wire transfer - and at that time it was even more PITA because there was no IBAN - and some through Western Union |
| 14:02.26 | clock | brlcad, when I researched bitcoin last time I wasn't able to figure out how to set it up |
| 14:02.29 | brlcad | that sounds like high-risk activity, relying on "untrusted couriers" |
| 14:02.32 | clock | So I wrote to the Bitcoin site |
| 14:02.43 | clock | and they told me to hire a professional company for that that does it for $$$ |
| 14:02.44 | clock | Great. |
| 14:02.50 | clock | They advertise it as a no fee service |
| 14:02.56 | clock | and you should hire a commercial company for that |
| 14:04.33 | clock | brlcad, so you say you would be willing kickstarter or paypal but not IBAN or Western Union or Bitcoin right? |
| 14:04.38 | brlcad | well, that's why I insinuated that spending a day on this seemed inadequate for coming to any conclusion, not being offensive towards your efforts but recognizing that this is incredibly complicated if you intend to receive donations internationally |
| 14:05.29 | brlcad | it's a really hard problem that would probably take me a couple weeks to investigate options and figure out what would ultimately be a set of viable options |
| 14:05.33 | clock | so that people using it for legitimate purposes are deterred |
| 14:05.37 | clock | while criminals are not deterred |
| 14:05.39 | brlcad | you don't want WU |
| 14:05.44 | brlcad | their fees are insane |
| 14:05.58 | clock | I don't know what their fees are because I asked them and they didn't tell me |
| 14:06.03 | clock | they said I have to ask in the source country |
| 14:06.05 | brlcad | they make paypal seem like a benevolent saint |
| 14:06.06 | clock | thats a great idea |
| 14:06.11 | clock | now I will book 175 plane tickets |
| 14:06.17 | clock | to fly into 175 countries |
| 14:06.28 | clock | and ask in a western unioun counter in each of them |
| 14:06.32 | brlcad | that's your problem, tnot theirs :) |
| 14:06.33 | clock | for a project worth of $2'900 |
| 14:06.42 | brlcad | they'll tell you on a per-country basis |
| 14:06.52 | clock | no even not that |
| 14:06.57 | clock | just sending from switzerland |
| 14:06.58 | brlcad | they're not going to tell you willingly, but you can get them to tell you |
| 14:06.59 | clock | which was insane |
| 14:07.09 | brlcad | their site will tell you if you go far enough along |
| 14:07.22 | brlcad | but the fee's are usually a substantial % |
| 14:07.42 | brlcad | some countries are incredibly low (e.g., india) because they negotiated some deal |
| 14:07.48 | brlcad | others are double-digit |
| 14:08.46 | clock | brlcad, what if I researched some other money transfer like WU except their fees are OK for you? |
| 14:08.50 | clock | brlcad, would you do it? |
| 14:08.51 | brlcad | in any regard, I do wish you well and look forward to seeing updates if you get it off the ground |
| 14:08.55 | clock | cause here are tons of money transfers |
| 14:09.17 | clock | brlcad, well if I manage to set up paypal or kickstarter I will let you know |
| 14:10.16 | brlcad | sure, thanks |
| 14:11.31 | clock | brlcad, RIA can send online credit card to switzerland $10 and the fee is $8 |
| 14:11.33 | brlcad | would suggest trying to stick with a service (there really are dozens) either catering to crowd-funding or (perhaps more appropriately) micro-lending / micro-investing, whatever their terms |
| 14:11.34 | clock | what u think about this? |
| 14:11.42 | clock | acceptable fee or not? |
| 14:12.02 | clock | brlcad, also - what if the funding service don't deliver their money? |
| 14:12.05 | clock | then all the people get pissed |
| 14:12.20 | brlcad | I don't know -- on the surface, for a payment that small, it's insane |
| 14:12.25 | clock | I won't sue them because that would cost more than the worth of the project |
| 14:12.29 | brlcad | for a $100 donation, meh, wouldn't care |
| 14:13.14 | clock | brlcad, but this discussion sparked an idea in me - I will add instructions how to fill out online donations through RIA and credit card :) |
| 14:13.19 | brlcad | most funding services you can find with some quick searches are pretty reputable, or at least it's easy to investigate their reputability |
| 14:13.46 | clock | brlcad, I actually dont want funding service, but money transfer service :) |
| 14:13.51 | clock | RIA with 0,- fee would be great :) |
| 14:14.20 | clock | "Currently, online money transfer is only available from the United States." OMG |
| 14:14.46 | clock | not only they stopped flying to the moon |
| 14:14.53 | clock | not only they stopped flying the space shuttle |
| 14:14.59 | clock | they even stopped online money transfers! |
| 14:15.06 | brlcad | they stopped sending money to other countries ;) |
| 14:15.33 | clock | cause all their money is in china :) |
| 14:15.36 | brlcad | quite intentionally difficult to send money abroad, even from a bank |
| 14:15.47 | clock | reminds me the bitcoin |
| 14:15.58 | clock | where its easy to turn money into bitoin |
| 14:16.07 | clock | but very difficult to turn bitcoin into money |
| 14:16.11 | clock | Reminds me my flushing toilet |
| 14:16.15 | clock | also easy to flush money |
| 14:16.15 | brlcad | bitcoin actually might be one of the easiest ways on the whole, but then your audience is incredibly diminished |
| 14:16.21 | clock | but once flushed, difficult to bring them back |
| 14:17.11 | brlcad | it's a weekly if not daily financial topic in the US and the feds are only starting to incorporate it into the laws |
| 14:17.25 | brlcad | so you can get away with more that you can't otherwise |
| 14:17.52 | brlcad | but you do usually end up needing a broker or escrow handler or some other middleman if you really want to end up with cash in hand |
| 14:18.07 | clock | yes exactly |
| 14:18.15 | brlcad | for a project as tiny as yours, you're going to be hard-pressed (seriously, check out micro-lending) |
| 14:18.55 | clock | and there is like just one person in switzerland doing it in free time you have to personally arrange with |
| 14:19.06 | clock | what means hard-pressed? |
| 14:19.42 | clock | I don't want micro-LENDING but micro-DONATION :) |
| 14:19.49 | clock | brlcad, anyway I wanted to discuss something else |
| 14:20.03 | clock | brlcad, assumed the project gets famous after release, would you like to piggyback some BRL-CAD on it? |
| 14:20.29 | clock | brlcad, maybe you could find some BRL-CAD interested newbie intersted in clicking up a model of the machine in BRL-CAD and adding the views to the manual |
| 14:20.45 | clock | and write everywhere it was powered by BRL-CAD etc. |
| 14:20.55 | clock | I have currently exploded 3D views which I drew simply in inkscape |
| 14:21.27 | brlcad | possibly, sounds interesting |
| 14:21.31 | clock | but when they were finished I realized I could as well rtedge them |
| 14:21.57 | clock | brlcad, if I were designing an DIY space shuttle, I would definitely research kickstarter |
| 14:22.05 | clock | I just want to avoid "analysis paralysis" |
| 14:22.21 | clock | or like these foundations |
| 14:22.33 | clock | "application has to be formatted with 10pt letters and 1.5 spacing"... |
| 14:23.03 | clock | I thought like "fuck this!" and smashed into the page close button |
| 14:23.30 | clock | melinda and belinda charitable foundation of hell |
| 14:23.31 | brlcad | that's the game that has to be played until you acquire a reputation and can make deals with single entities |
| 14:23.55 | clock | you know the optimum strategy in some games is to not play them? |
| 14:24.02 | brlcad | especially since most of them want you to think big but have a very detailed plan |
| 14:24.30 | brlcad | that's only an optimium strategy for not losing ;) |
| 14:26.06 | clock | no seriously I read about scientific analyses that hte optimum strategy in poker is to not play |
| 14:26.52 | ries | clock: I am reading back, IBAN in europe is easy, take's about the same time for me as paypal but it's more secure. Personally kickstarter is differcult for me because I need a amazon account and a credit card to do anything in kickstarter. |
| 14:27.17 | clock | brlcad, I actually did 4 fundraising campains on Ronja, hat just IBAN and some times possibly pay pal, and it got not only all paid, but even overpaid! |
| 14:27.35 | clock | ries, and RIA? |
| 14:27.53 | ries | clock: RIA? |
| 14:28.14 | clock | http://www.riafinancial.com |
| 14:28.18 | clock | destination country switzerland |
| 14:28.27 | clock | pick up method bank transfer or cash pickup |
| 14:28.33 | clock | whichever cheaper |
| 14:29.31 | ries | clock: I have a bank account in europe, so sending money anywhere in the world is easy… But I can imagine for other countries, outside of europe this isn't so easy. |
| 14:29.48 | clock | ries, yes then you can do IBAN through europe for 0,- right? |
| 14:30.07 | clock | Someone sent me donation from CZ to CH, it was 0,- and automatic conversion of currency |
| 14:30.09 | ries | everybody in europe can! I wonder why teh US is behind on that, looks odd to me.. |
| 14:31.14 | clock | ries, I think because their IRS is hyper-paranoid |
| 14:31.57 | ries | clock: Kickstarter did came recently to holland (I know you don't like KS) just wanted to mention that... |
| 14:32.10 | clock | sounds like closing in :) |
| 14:32.22 | brlcad | clock: it's not paranoid, the rules are in place BECAUSE of widespread abuse and laundering |
| 14:32.35 | clock | I also don't like those multi-page intentionally vague overly broadly reaching terms and conditions which |
| 14:32.52 | clock | 1) take several hours just to read |
| 14:32.55 | brlcad | it just their solution hurts everyone (but stops that avenue of abuse) |
| 14:33.15 | clock | 2) to actually understand what I am agreeing to, I woul dhave to hire a lawyer, which would be at least 10 times more expensive than the whole cost of development |
| 14:33.30 | clock | brlcad, like Credit Suisse |
| 14:33.48 | clock | they got a fine in order of billions for financial crimes |
| 14:34.12 | brlcad | which means they were probably really liable for tens or hundreds of billions |
| 14:34.20 | brlcad | usually the fines are a fraction of what was detected |
| 14:35.01 | brlcad | in suisse case, it could easily have been in the trillions since it spans several decades |
| 14:35.41 | clock | brlcad, what is the fee acceptance boundary for your potential donation of $10? |
| 14:35.54 | clock | brlcad, If I find a transfer service that fits within it I would let you know |
| 14:36.07 | clock | sure |
| 14:36.19 | clock | it pisses me like some countries have no drinking water nothing to eat |
| 14:36.23 | clock | while other SPLURGE |
| 14:36.33 | clock | because THEY RUN ON ORGANIZED CRIME |
| 14:36.49 | clock | AND HAVE THE RUDE BALLS TO PRETEND HOW EVERYTHING IS PERFECT AND HIGHLY DEVELOPED IN THEM |
| 14:37.02 | clock | this will be now put to stop |
| 14:37.20 | clock | people in slums will now drink better drinking water than the splurges in Switzerland |
| 14:37.52 | ries | clock: when you reach your funding, how is it going to help the people in need? |
| 14:37.53 | clock | sriously, we have 4.6 mg/L nitrate in our tap water, whereas those who put the stinky water with floating trash into Distillcooker will have 0.0 |
| 14:37.59 | brlcad | well you certainly have a lot of problems ahead of you |
| 14:38.07 | brlcad | having a device is only one of a number of issues |
| 14:38.09 | clock | ries, they build it |
| 14:38.27 | brlcad | manufacturing, distribution, infrastructure maintenance on a large scale |
| 14:38.33 | clock | I asked people from Cambodia from poor parts of Thailand |
| 14:38.35 | ries | clock: How do they get the design? |
| 14:38.38 | clock | both said they think it will help a lot |
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| 14:38.48 | clock | ries, download it from the interntes like, almost everything today |
| 14:39.04 | ries | clock: you think they have internet and can read your plan? |
| 14:39.11 | clock | sure |
| 14:39.25 | ries | wooow, that's vert optimistic |
| 14:39.25 | clock | there are many people who have like smartphone but no drinking water |
| 14:39.30 | clock | but anyway |
| 14:39.33 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:tbrowder2 * 60829 (brlcad/branches/d-binding/misc/d-bindings/CParse.pm brlcad/branches/d-binding/misc/d-bindings/ParseCChunk.pm): save work |
| 14:39.39 | clock | I designed the manual specially that it can be used without internet |
| 14:40.19 | clock | ries, well I was in rural poor Thailand, 5km from the place BBC filmed their document how almost impossible is to just survive there |
| 14:40.32 | clock | and I went to the same hospital that was in the movie |
| 14:40.47 | clock | In that poor place I opened my laptop, DHCP, free Internet in the air |
| 14:41.29 | ries | clock: I life in Ecuador and have come across some poor people. But I am pretty sure they are not capable of reading a plan, even if it's just pictures.. They just 'muddle' around (not beeing disrespectull to them).. they are mostly people that life somewher eup in a mountain though |
| 14:41.34 | clock | ries, pathway #2: download and print |
| 14:41.51 | clock | pathway #3: some smart guy who can do the internetz, starts making it home and selling on the local market |
| 14:42.22 | clock | ries, " they are not capable of reading a plan, even if its just pictures.. They just muddle around (not beeing disrespectull to them)" - my concern |
| 14:43.06 | ries | clock: I am guessing (I didn't do research…) that the biggest problem is getting the idea's to the people and actually teach them how drinking water works. The problem isn't about technology or cost |
| 14:43.44 | clock | could be |
| 14:43.46 | clock | I don't know |
| 14:43.50 | clock | I don't have research data |
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| 14:44.23 | ries | At least people here have believes and sepcially the older peopel have been doing things for many years and that's hard to change. Tell them there are bug's in the water, they tell you they cannot see them so it must not be there. |
| 14:45.10 | clock | yeah |
| 14:45.18 | clock | so when they go to doctor that they have diarrhea |
| 14:45.28 | clock | he should also tell them that he cannot see it so they can't have it |
| 14:45.33 | clock | and call out "next please" |
| 14:45.57 | clock | seriously |
| 14:46.01 | clock | for any kind of project P |
| 14:46.12 | clock | its alway possible to find a level on incapability of L |
| 14:46.22 | clock | such that at least person P exists such |
| 14:46.26 | clock | that P posesses L |
| 14:46.35 | clock | so that P is incapable of benefiting from P |
| 14:46.47 | clock | looks like I used one letter twice in my mathematical equation |
| 14:46.51 | clock | but you get the idea I guess |
| 14:47.23 | ries | clock: when I came to Ecuador and I was sick one day, to rubbed me with a egg because it was suppose to kill of disease :D. A friend of mine went to a doctor because she had a bad cold. She was told that she was allergic for 'cold' (the temperature…) she was from london :D |
| 14:47.51 | clock | so the way to get these people to build it |
| 14:47.58 | clock | is say there is a ghost inside the machine which is good for them |
| 14:49.21 | clock | what is the thing in BRLCAD logo? |
| 14:49.38 | clock | is it a link of a tank track? |
| 14:51.58 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:zhaoanqing * 60831 brlcad/branches/nmgreorg/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_visit.c: remove redundant visiting routines with parameter model and nmgregion struct. |
| 14:53.01 | clock | brlcad, so how would it be practically done if some publicity for BRL-CAD wants to be piggybacked on the project in the moment it is released? |
| 14:56.01 | clock | brlcad, you have some people who would like to learn BRL-CAD on some simple model? |
| 14:56.41 | brlcad | clock: it's just an "interlinked nodes" abstraction |
| 14:56.46 | brlcad | like links on a bike chain |
| 14:57.11 | brlcad | or track or anything representing interlocked cooperation |
| 14:57.31 | clock | i see i like the logo |
| 14:57.41 | clock | although I miss a bit the old army style one |
| 14:57.55 | clock | which i found cool |
| 14:58.21 | brlcad | it's a much better abstraction of our modular structure, 3D design characteristics, tools that work together, etc |
| 15:04.01 | clock | I see |
| 15:04.05 | clock | looks definitely modern |
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| 15:19.05 | brlcad | clock: we also have a half dozen versions of it in .g format |
| 15:19.18 | clock | :) |
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| 15:19.41 | brlcad | made by gci students learning how to model, so we can render it in 3D |
| 15:19.54 | brlcad | we had a logo contest, it was the winner |
| 15:20.03 | brlcad | here was part of the original entry: http://brlcad.org/images/angelov3d_512x256.png |
| 15:21.07 | brlcad | second and third place here: http://brlcad.org/d/node/92 |
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| 15:25.54 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:zhaoanqing * 60834 (brlcad/branches/nmgreorg/include/raytrace.h brlcad/branches/nmgreorg/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_rt_isect.c): change ray-tracing routines about nmg to fit new nmg structure. Then replace ray_data 's model member 'rd_m' to a shell member 'rd_s'. |
| 15:42.57 | ``Erik | logo reminds me of the piston and coupling rods from an old steam locomotive :D but I thought it looked awfully similar to valves "steam" logo when it was proposed, so I might be a bit biased |
| 15:43.21 | brlcad | Zhao_Anqing: r60817 is exactly the sort of issue you should be documenting as you go along |
| 15:43.44 | brlcad | please please write it down somewhere :) |
| 15:45.00 | ``Erik | 'stripe' and 'gumroad' seem to be getting a lot of attention as viable paypal replacements, but stripe is limited in which countries it supports (growing, though) and gumroad might not allow donation type things (they're big on facilitating digital downloads... mebbe "sell" the plans and use proceeds to help in needy areas?) |
| 15:45.38 | clock | yes similarity with the steam logo I would see a problem |
| 15:45.43 | clock | Although I still don't know what Steam is |
| 15:45.48 | clock | except it seems to be something popular |
| 15:46.43 | ``Erik | clock: it's a platform for buying/leasing and delivering games... sorta kinda similar to the apple itunes store or google play store |
| 15:46.57 | clock | oh |
| 15:47.24 | ``Erik | http://store.steampowered.com/about/ |
| 15:47.26 | raj12lnm | brlcad : did u see my messages |
| 15:48.30 | ``Erik | raj12lnm: patch would be good, but it should be against trunk |
| 15:49.17 | brlcad | raj12lnm: please don't use IRC to ask questions if you're going to quickly leave -- that's what the mailing list is for |
| 15:49.34 | brlcad | if you're going to ask, wait around for an answer otherwise it wastes other people's time |
| 15:49.38 | ``Erik | the ars curve thing I believe is intended to be a closed loop, with the first and last points being the same, I think |
| 15:50.29 | ``Erik | was going to answer when he first read it, but saw it about half an hour after raj left... just had to scroll up to refresh :/ |
| 15:50.38 | Zhao_Anqing | brlcad: if I am not mistaken, you mean I should record this TODO issue on my own notebook, then come back later to deal with it? |
| 15:50.53 | brlcad | I started to answer too, until I realized he'd left |
| 15:51.14 | brlcad | the data structure duplicates the points, but the user interface (typein) does not iirc |
| 15:51.33 | brlcad | that's basically an implementation detail, probably to make parsing the loop easier |
| 15:51.49 | brlcad | Zhao_Anqing: yep, exactly |
| 15:51.53 | clock | brlcad, unless the answer benefits someone else too :) |
| 15:52.14 | brlcad | Zhao_Anqing: not a notebook, actually modify the TODO file, add a section for yourself (for NMG refactoring) if you like |
| 15:52.22 | brlcad | and commit that note as something you're working on |
| 15:52.32 | brlcad | didn't mean pen and paper notebook ;) |
| 15:53.12 | brlcad | clock: I'm not going to spend time on hypotheticals .. I have a thousand other things I can be doing than giving random information to people that didn't ask for it :) |
| 15:54.09 | Zhao_Anqing | brlcad: OK. Thank you. Now I understand this suggestion better. I will remember this tip and do that then. |
| 15:54.19 | brlcad | Zhao_Anqing: are you sure fu->s_p->r_p->m_p->maxindex and fu->s_p->maxindex are the same thing? |
| 15:54.32 | ``Erik | should nmg stuff in be src/librt/TODO or top level? O.o |
| 15:54.45 | ``Erik | src/archer/TODO src/libdm/TODO src/libged/TODO src/libicv/TODO src/libpc/TODO |
| 15:54.57 | brlcad | I don't really care |
| 15:55.03 | brlcad | it's all the same to me |
| 15:55.24 | Zhao_Anqing | yes, I move 'maxindex' from model to shell after removing model and nmgregion struct. |
| 15:55.33 | brlcad | Zhao_Anqing: okay, cool |
| 15:55.57 | Zhao_Anqing | :) |
| 16:08.34 | raj12lnm | ``Erik are u sure about the close loop ? |
| 16:09.34 | raj12lnm | also for the example shown at http://brlcad.org/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives#ars |
| 16:09.56 | raj12lnm | I am designing the wrapper such that |
| 16:10.02 | raj12lnm | ncurves = 6 |
| 16:10.07 | raj12lnm | pts_per_curve = 4 |
| 16:10.46 | raj12lnm | curves = [[0, 0, 3], [1, 1, 3, 1, -1, 3, -1, -1, 3, -1, 1, 3], [1, 1, 1, 1, -1, 1, -1, -1, 1, -1, 1, 1], [1, 0, -1, 0, -1, -1, -1, 0, -1, 0, 1, -1], [1, 0, -3, 0, -1, -3, -1, 0, -3, 0, 1, -3 ], [0, 0, -3]] |
| 16:10.58 | raj12lnm | ``Erik : Please see and revert :) |
| 16:20.20 | clock | oh, numbers! :) |
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| 16:45.16 | ``Erik | "The command line isn't an old technology, its just an alternative one that happened to be invented first." |
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| 17:14.11 | clock | brlcad, a guy from the poorest part of Thailand, who lives in Switzerland, just said he sent me $112 by wire transfer :) |
| 17:29.20 | fenn | in the beginning, there was the command line. god said, "configure && make" |
| 17:29.34 | brlcad | it's a hot topic, which is why I think you'd get FAR more than you're asking if you promoted what you're doing well enough with a variety of ways to easily receive funds |
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| 18:32.12 | brlcad | ~seen vladbogo |
| 18:32.13 | infobot | vladbogo <~vlad@86.127.152.97> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 2d 6h 29m 5s ago, saying: 'but first I want to have the framebuffer done and integrated with display manager'. |
| 18:32.27 | brlcad | hi mihaineacsu |
| 18:32.40 | mihaineacsu | hi brlcad! |
| 18:36.43 | clock | interesting people from Europe tell me they think my project will not succeed |
| 18:37.06 | clock | and people from Cambodia and Thailand, who are familiar with the actual situation of the poor people lacking drinking water, tell me it will. |
| 18:39.31 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 60835 (brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/enf-g.xml brlcad/trunk/src/conv/enf-g.c): fix enf-g and its man page to account for -v option, since the programming does have it |
| 18:45.37 | brlcad | mihaineacsu: can you refresh my memory, did you work on a patch? |
| 18:46.02 | mihaineacsu | brlcad: I have not, is it too late to do so? |
| 18:46.11 | brlcad | no, it's never too late :) |
| 18:46.54 | brlcad | i'd be interested in seeing you tackle some minor task in C |
| 18:49.07 | mihaineacsu | sure, let me know if you have something particular on your mind. Otherwise I'll look up the bugtracker |
| 18:53.20 | brlcad | mihaineacsu: sure, how about this one from our BUGS file: |
| 18:53.23 | brlcad | * rtweight chokes on a .density file that has less than 3 values per line (infinite loop). also gives infinite areas when presented with an empty .density file. |
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| 18:56.07 | mihaineacsu | I'll check it out tonight :D |
| 18:56.09 | brlcad | mihaineacsu: here's a simple .density file you can use (which should work, you have to edit it to experience the bug) |
| 18:56.12 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/~sean/dotdensity |
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| 19:00.31 | brlcad | huh, twiddla is pretty cool |
| 19:14.15 | teepee | ahh, found the 3rd guest :D |
| 19:17.44 | brlcad | I was the fourth |
| 19:18.08 | teepee | :) |
| 19:18.18 | teepee | very useful tool indeed |
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| 23:59.20 | clock | brlcad, I found moneygram sends from the US with a fee of $12 |
