IRC log for #brlcad on 20140610

00:25.14 brlcad hcurtis: instead of saying checking in, maybe just summarize what you intend to work on now/next (e.g., "still trying to figure out how to link libbu, then working on fast4-g conversion")
00:25.48 hcurtis Ok
00:26.10 brlcad hcurtis: where are you with that -- you're not meant to struggle with this for this long, ask questions that unquestionably move your understanding forward
00:27.23 brlcad all that should have been needed iss -Isrc/path/to/include and -Lbuild/path/to/libbu and -lbu on the command line
00:27.54 hcurtis I am trying to get past the error message saying "error while loading shared libraries cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
00:28.01 brlcad if that's not working, it might not be your fault or the paths might be wrong
00:28.20 brlcad what's your compile line?
00:28.32 brlcad (just paste the gcc line here)
00:28.35 hcurtis One moment. I'll get it.
00:28.58 brlcad mihaineacsu: pingo pongo!
00:29.13 mihaineacsu hi brlcad!
00:29.45 brlcad what are you doing? :)
00:30.09 hcurtis brlcad: gcc -W -Wall -Werror -I brlcad-svn-trunk/include -I brlcad-svn-trunk/src/other/tcl/generic -lbu -Lbrlcad-build/lib -o test1 GSoCDynAllocBRL-CAD.c
00:30.29 brlcad hcurtis: excellent
00:30.35 brlcad that looks pretty darn close
00:30.43 brlcad order matters
00:30.53 brlcad so you told it to look for -lbu
00:31.07 hcurtis Thank you. However, it didn't work.
00:31.08 brlcad but you didn't tell it where to look until after
00:31.16 brlcad put -L before -l
00:31.18 mihaineacsu was about to go to sleep
00:31.34 mihaineacsu glad you caught me before I did
00:31.53 brlcad mihaineacsu: I like to say there's plenty of time to sleep when I'm dead ;)
00:32.33 mihaineacsu I say that a lot myself
00:32.58 brlcad hcurtis: it's not going to cause a problem here, but you technically should also not have a space after the -I options
00:33.20 brlcad mihaineacsu: so what are you up to?
00:33.24 brlcad socis-wise
00:33.59 brlcad please tell me you've been keeping busy ... you have a lot of people looking forward to your project ;)
00:34.10 brlcad did you get gqa working?
00:34.21 mihaineacsu well I was waiting to get a hold of you, I don't have a clear idea on how to tackle tasks since Albert is on the same project.
00:34.31 hcurtis brlcad: I would try the corrected code now, but my command prompt is busy. Is there a safe way to make it stop what it's doing?
00:35.10 mihaineacsu brlcad: I did. Also did you manage to check the patch?
00:35.16 brlcad mihaineacsu: oof! niet! nein! nooooooo... got to keep independently productive :)
00:35.21 brlcad ignore what albert is doing if you have to
00:35.41 brlcad I glanced briefly at your patch, but haven't finished reviewing it
00:35.48 brlcad so, successful with gqa?
00:35.55 brlcad or problems?
00:36.03 mihaineacsu no, it's fine
00:36.09 brlcad hcurtis: busy doing what?
00:36.28 mihaineacsu so I should follow the proposed plan?
00:36.29 brlcad hcurtis: hitting ctrl-c will abort whatever it is doing usually, but depends what it's doing
00:36.43 hcurtis I tried to grep something, but it is taking forever.
00:36.57 brlcad mihaineacsu: well, so that's a great conversation to get into .. how much time do you have?
00:37.07 mihaineacsu I'm here to stay :)
00:37.08 brlcad hcurtis: ahh, ctrl-c is safe for grep
00:37.16 brlcad mihaineacsu: okay
00:37.22 hcurtis Ok. Thanks.
00:39.13 hcurtis brlcad: My best guess is that I should not stop a build with ctrl-c, though, right?
00:40.11 brlcad hcurtis: usually it's fine but in very very rare occasions you can interrupt the build at the wrong time and get your build into a funky state
00:40.31 brlcad i wouldn't recommend it, but it's also mostly harmless 98% of the time
00:40.41 hcurtis Ok
00:40.54 brlcad mihaineacsu: so what is most exciting to you about your projecT?
00:41.21 brlcad front-end, back-end, new language, existing skill, usefulness, graphics/interface, ...?
00:41.46 mihaineacsu well getting the web platform running and working and tieing it up to brlcad
00:42.59 mihaineacsu I'm fine with using the existing php code and build up from there, but as someone else suggested here, maybe a framework would be better suited
00:44.02 mihaineacsu it would be easier to maintain in the long run. But I'm fine with either solution
00:45.27 hcurtis brlcad: Here is the corrected gcc line: gcc -W -Wall -Werror -Ibrlcad-svn-trunk/include -Ibrlcad-svn-trunk/src/other/tcl/generic -Lbrlcad-build/lib -lbu -o test1b GSoCDynAllocBRL-CAD.c
00:45.41 hcurtis I am getting the same error.
00:46.15 hcurtis ./test1b: error while loading shared libraries: libbu.so.20: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
00:49.52 hcurtis I first got this error last night. I've been researching it, and I've learned some things. However, as you can see, I don't have the solution yet.
01:11.36 hcurtis brlcad: I have to go, but I will be back later.
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02:11.49 brlcad mihaineacsu: by existing php code, what are you referring to exactly?
02:13.03 mihaineacsu brlcad: the platform which Albert used as a starting point pre-gsoc, he made some patches for it.
02:13.18 brlcad ah, the old materials db site
02:13.22 mihaineacsu yes
02:17.44 brlcad mihaineacsu: so the usefulness of any web interface is not realized until it gets leveraged
02:17.55 brlcad in our tools and database structure
02:18.51 mihaineacsu I agree
02:21.24 mihaineacsu so how do you think it would be best to approach this the following weeks?
02:22.57 brlcad I think an end-user goal needs to be identified
02:23.34 brlcad a specific feature that adds some capability that doesn't exist or improves an existing capability
02:25.18 brlcad maybe you can try to identify some specific user-visible targets as a first step
02:27.13 brlcad changes to analysis or rendering tools that relate to material properties
02:29.37 mihaineacsu so is this besides the command line tool that would for eg add material data to a geometry file by talking to the web interface?
02:29.55 brlcad not besides, that's a great one by itself
02:30.00 brlcad a new command for managing materials (to/from file, web, objects, etc)
02:30.52 brlcad associating shader properties with materials (and/or vice-versa)
02:31.46 brlcad keeping track of advanced/other material properties
02:31.48 brlcad etc
02:33.21 mihaineacsu oh, I see. We can tackle each one by one
02:34.29 brlcad more about creating a palette of ideas ... to then decide which are worth tackling, which can be achived in time, then yeah trying to implement some of them
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02:37.23 brlcad suggest putting that list of ideas up on the wiki, and then maybe get started on the command now since that will drive much of the front-end requirements
02:37.36 brlcad sound reasonable?
02:37.46 mihaineacsu yeah, that great
02:38.39 mihaineacsu I'll get organised today and start working on it
02:39.20 mihaineacsu and look into the others one you mentioned to get better idea
02:39.51 mihaineacsu btw: what's your local time?
02:42.09 brlcad local time is GMT-4
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07:10.10 hcurtis brlcad: Working on the libbu task
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17:22.46 brlcad andrei_: you made some excellent progress last week
17:23.51 brlcad andrei_: and segments do have data in common .. they all have a start and end point
17:24.17 brlcad raj12lnm_: did you see if submodel was working for you now?
17:24.25 brlcad good to have someone independently confirm ;)
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17:24.46 Notify transformations applied. Most likely explanation is the migration to the new API needs more work in our code...
17:25.26 andrei_ brlcad: I'm sorry but how is that true
17:25.32 andrei_ I mean, nurb and bezier
17:25.44 andrei_ don't seem to be made of segments put head to head
17:25.49 andrei_ but rather points that are interpolated
17:25.52 andrei_ (this is my understanding)
17:26.12 raj12lnm brlcad: yes I tested and works fine for me.
17:26.31 brlcad raj12lnm: great, glad to hear it
17:26.50 raj12lnm brlcad: since you are around can you tell me about annotations?
17:26.52 brlcad andrei_: the points are interpolated, but that shouldn't matter
17:27.02 brlcad raj12lnm: annotations aren't ready to be wrapped
17:27.20 raj12lnm brlcad: :(
17:27.21 brlcad andrei_: from a class/data perspective, they have at least two points no?
17:27.31 andrei_ aah
17:27.37 andrei_ that's.. simpler than I thought
17:27.38 brlcad raj12lnm: we're not allowed to have any development be "in-progress"? :)
17:28.12 andrei_ in brlcad(sketch.c) generic segments are handled via a generic pointer
17:28.15 brlcad rossberg might have some different ideas, but data-wise that isn't a ridiculous starting point
17:28.19 raj12lnm and can u suggest something for points ?
17:28.28 raj12lnm is it something I should be looking to wrap ?
17:28.37 raj12lnm so many varied kinds of points !
17:28.40 brlcad it's even possible to make nurbs/bezier clamp to those start/end points so they are actually the geometric end/begin
17:28.59 brlcad raj12lnm: points would be good to wrap :)
17:29.01 andrei_ that would seem the most natural solution to me, but I'll see what he says
17:29.15 andrei_ The great thing is I finally understood coreinterface's purpose
17:29.25 andrei_ it's supposed to ofer a high level, OOP interface
17:29.26 brlcad andrei_: proceed and show him a patch, don't wait ;)
17:29.37 brlcad it's easy enough to eliminate a start/end point field
17:29.40 andrei_ handling rt structures internally
17:29.48 andrei_ one question
17:29.54 andrei_ the arrays in c(int*)
17:30.01 andrei_ should I use std containers
17:30.06 andrei_ or keep them c like arrays?
17:30.12 brlcad depends
17:30.13 andrei_ (for the rest of the points, in example)
17:30.30 brlcad if they're part of public API (in a public header) ... you should not be using std containers
17:30.40 brlcad if they're implementation detail, sure go for it
17:30.56 andrei_ it's public, but still, I know what to do
17:30.57 brlcad so probably "keep them in C arrays" ...
17:31.03 andrei_ yeah
17:31.12 brlcad look at what he does in other classes/files
17:31.17 brlcad follow the same pattern
17:31.34 andrei_ I did, I might not understand well enough, but to me, it seems not all are consistent
17:31.35 brlcad if you see other containers, then you're at least not introducing any new problems
17:31.53 brlcad they almost certainly are not, make a patch that makes them consistent ;)
17:32.07 brlcad they've been developed by a couple people over MANY years very passively
17:32.22 brlcad this is one of the biggest thrusts in a long time
17:33.01 andrei_ I'd want to talk to him before I begin actually implementing the class, but I will work on the class interface itself in the meantime
17:33.07 andrei_ only wrote the subclasses, so far
17:33.08 brlcad try to demonstrate a couple patches that require no "fixing" or discussion .. just "this looks great, applied"
17:33.34 brlcad i.e., make them "perfect" as best you can (and when you get feedback, add that to your checklist for the next patch attempt)
17:33.53 andrei_ thanks for sorting out some issues, will do
17:34.01 brlcad he's waiting for a header since that gives him something tangible to discuss
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19:21.21 hcurtis brlcad: Working on the libbu task
19:22.56 hcurtis Hi, everyone. I'm trying to get a small program I wrote to run using BRL-CAD's bu_malloc and bu_free functions, but I'm stuck. Here are details: http://paste.lisp.org/+327U
19:23.34 hcurtis I'm continuing to work hard on the problem, but any feedback and advice are welcome.
19:24.19 andrei_ hcurtis: it might not be the solution brlcad is looking for, but it's a workaround. if you look at brlcad sources
19:24.26 andrei_ there must be some unit tests in a file
19:24.27 andrei_ I dont'
19:24.51 andrei_ I don't have the sources at hand right now, but I'm sure there are unit tests for libbu
19:25.17 andrei_ see how a unit test "is tied" to cmake, it might be much more difficult to link it to libbu yourself
19:26.33 hcurtis andrei_: That's a good idea. Thank you.
19:27.07 andrei_ if you can't figure out and want to test the code asap, simply replace the content of a unit test
19:27.32 hcurtis Ok
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20:12.01 hcurtis andrei_: Hi, andrei_. I have found the unit tests for libbu, and I looked at some of them. How do I see how a unit test "is tied" to cmake?
20:12.28 andrei_ there's suppsoed to be a CMakeLists.txt
20:12.30 andrei_ file
20:12.38 andrei_ in the same folder as the unit test
20:16.13 hcurtis andrei_: Ok. Thank you.
20:16.28 andrei_ oh, I might not have been explicit enough
20:16.44 andrei_ in the CMakeLists.txt file, you'll see some pattern that follows each file
20:17.00 andrei_ simply add one more line, containing your test file, in the same format
20:18.20 hcurtis Ok
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21:03.50 hcurtis Update: There might be something wrong with the path I specified in my gcc compile line with the -L option. (I used -Lbrlcad-build/lib to find libbu.) I'm doing research to find out more about that possibility, and I will try some new things.
21:04.18 andrei_ hcurtis: -Lbrlcad-build/lib
21:04.21 andrei_ is a relative path
21:04.49 andrei_ try giving an absolute path, I don't know what path variable gcc(where it looks for files) has
21:06.44 hcurtis Hi, andrei_. Thank you.
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22:10.44 hcurtis I keep getting an error message saying "error while loading shared libraries. cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." I've researched this error and tried different things based on the information I've found. However, nothing has worked. Does anyone know what I should try next?
22:11.30 andrei_ hold on, I'll look in a few minutes and tell you exactly how to set things up
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22:30.15 pandrei hcurtis: if you look in brlcad/src/libbu/tests
22:30.27 pandrei you'll see a file called CMakeLists.txt
22:30.30 pandrei if you open it
22:31.05 pandrei you'll see this line
22:31.06 pandrei BRLCAD_ADDEXEC(tester_bu_str_isprint bu_str_isprint.c libbu NO_INSTALL)
22:31.17 hcurtis Ok
22:31.17 pandrei the instruction format is
22:31.34 pandrei BRLCAD_ADDEXEC(binary_name source_name library NO_INSTALL)
22:31.53 pandrei you just rebuild brlcad and it will build your files, linked with libbu without a problem
22:33.04 pandrei brlcad, d_rossberg: I've done a bit of work on the interface but I'm tired so I'll proofread it in the morning(~9hours from now) I'd say not to review it until you see the v2 patch, thanks!
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23:40.17 hcurtis Update: I used the locate command to find libbu.so and its paths in my file system. There are two copies of it, and I've tried both of their paths with the -L option without success. That tells me that the problem isn't the path I'm using. I'll try something else.
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23:57.01 hcurtis brlcad: My laptop is running really slowly right now and is hotter than normal. I will turn it off, let it cool for a little while, and then return.

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