IRC log for #brlcad on 20141113

00:11.55 maths22 brlcad: can you give me the help text at the top of http://www.google-melange.com/gci/bulk/google/gci2014/brlcad
00:12.12 maths22 I obviously don't have permssions to pull it up, but it should explain the format
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00:16.05 starseeker brlcad: this one? https://www.softaculous.com/demos/TaskFreak
00:25.26 starseeker suspects it is some serious web-guruism involved to sync something like tackfreak with melange, but would be super-cool and who knows, perhaps it would be of use more widely in future GCI years (hint, hint web devs ;-)
00:27.10 starseeker maths22: are you familiar with taskfreak? I stubled across it when looking for "good" solutions to the GCI "manage a pile of tasks" problem, but I don't know much about it
00:27.34 maths22 I have not.
00:27.52 maths22 How customizable is taskfreak?
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00:30.18 starseeker maths22: not sure - I'm not much of a web programmer ;-)
00:33.19 clock do you know some software that uses brl-cad to render machine generated models?
00:33.46 clock Like for example electronic printed circuit board CAD which would output a machine generated model of the board and visualise it using BRL-CAD?
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00:44.10 maths22 OK
01:13.30 brlcad starseeker: yep, that's the one
01:13.32 brlcad thanks
01:17.55 brlcad maths22: http://picpaste.com/bulk_upload_text-PoxDWICl.png
01:18.56 brlcad clock: from brl-cad's perspective, that's just geometry import
01:19.33 brlcad we have several procedural geometry tools that "machine-generate" geometry
01:20.05 brlcad you wrote one in C several years ago (and unfortunately made it gpl, so it could never be incorporated)
01:20.20 brlcad the bolt tool
01:21.36 brlcad starseeker: can you think of any sets of gci tasks related to qt?
01:39.56 maths22 That format looks really nice
01:50.25 clock brlcad, do you know other softwares like that then?
02:04.40 brlcad clock: I'm not sure what you mean because I just told you "yes, our software" or pretty much any CAD software with a rendering ability
02:05.30 brlcad perhaps you really meant to ask whether I know of any EDA software?
02:06.57 brlcad to which the answer is "yes, that's a huge industry"
02:07.00 brlcad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_design_automation
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06:28.32 maths22 brlcad: I imported 2-300 tasks from last year and implemented an export function
06:29.05 maths22 I don't think this can help with changing the status of tasks.
06:29.27 maths22 However, it can be used to replicate a task (I will implement that now)
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12:08.21 starseeker brlcad: urm. the only one that leaps immediately to mind would be to have someone use QTextBrowser to see if our man pages and help texts can be successfully displayed with it
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12:12.34 starseeker Once I'm done getting the basic framework in place we could set up a command survey that has them hook up and test commands systematically, but I don't know if I'll be ready for that by the time GCI kicks off or not...
12:15.53 starseeker O.o Visual Studio Community and open sourcing .NET stack? wow
12:18.53 starseeker wow - they're even letting enterprise organizations use VS community edition if they're working on open source projects
12:20.02 starseeker picks jaw up off floor
12:27.38 ``Erik starseeker: yeah, they've had small isolated fits of this direction, but they seem to be committing to it lately
12:28.20 ``Erik wix wasn't exactly a huge deal in itself, but vs, .net, ios office, ...
12:29.44 starseeker nods - even wix was pretty cool
12:30.53 starseeker if VSc really has their debugging tools in it, it may spectacularly change the development experience for open source on Windows
12:31.39 starseeker watches the install progress and sighs - well, at this rate I may find out tonight...
12:32.58 starseeker did successfully do a basic test with wix, and long term it'd be nice to generate both NSIS .exe packages and WiX msi packages
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12:34.26 starseeker wonders if it would be a GCI task to test out WiX with the new VS Community 2013 - the generator logic is in there, you'd just have to set BRLCAD_ENABLE_WIX to ON in the CMake GUI
12:35.00 starseeker have to make sure it builds first
12:35.46 starseeker brlcad: was that procedure you had for doing a Mac package bundle boiled down enough that a GCI student could put it through its paces?
12:36.07 starseeker knows CMake has a lot of stuff for that, but I don't think that's how you did your version...
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14:59.52 brlcad they're basically pulling a Sun ... open sourcing everything in a last ditch effort to maintain market dominance
15:00.08 brlcad (this all revolves around the promotion of .net)
15:02.07 brlcad and the corporate/community edition change will actually net them money in the long run, lots of groups were using express (on an enterprise level) and now that's expressly prohibited with the community edition (except for teams < 5 and open source)
15:02.41 brlcad still nice to see the full dev chain finally unleashed if 10 years late
15:07.57 maths22 brlcad: how do you want duplicating to work?
15:11.25 brlcad I'm thinking of specifically how we managed tasks like the facebook banners where there's a base task, then it's copied and title is changed to #2, #3, ... etc to some range
15:12.42 brlcad basically want to say something like, "I want 5 more copies of this task" and then have it automatically create those copies, sets the title copy # to the next available
15:14.13 brlcad even if you select the base task or some intermediate (e.g., there is a "create facebook banner task" and "create facebook banner #2" and "create facebook banner #3", I'm looking at #2 and fill in a field to replicate it 3 more times, so it creates #4, #5, and #6)
15:14.30 maths22 ok
15:15.28 maths22 is there anytging else you want implemented that I haven't?
15:15.54 brlcad the real value is going to be in the upload/merging once tasks are created and several on melange have been closed, how doable is that?
15:16.06 maths22 also, do you want changes on the copies tracked?
15:16.17 brlcad what do you mean by tracked?
15:17.01 maths22 I think it will just skip closed ones, but i can see about a test meange instance
15:17.26 brlcad don't bother setting up a test melange, oof! you can test right on melange
15:17.30 maths22 tracked-ie if you change one the others do to
15:19.05 brlcad ahh, that'd be nice but not necessary .. and I'm not sure other orgs would want that
15:21.39 maths22 Ok.
15:21.43 brlcad will the upload interface let you delete a task?
15:21.58 brlcad hasn't read the new version instructions yet
15:22.01 maths22 I dont think so
15:22.36 brlcad what about change their status (e.g. to published?
15:22.38 maths22 i just skimmed through the logic at https://melange.googlesource.com/soc/+/v2-1-20141112/app/soc/modules/gci/tasks/bulk_create.py
15:23.08 maths22 you have to manually perform status changes
15:23.45 maths22 put in a feature request and see what they say
15:24.39 brlcad er, my reading around line 173 is that status updates are allowed as long as the task is not claimed
15:25.31 brlcad we can test it
15:25.51 brlcad did the data dump from 2013 include status?
15:28.19 maths22 it did, but the text in that image indicates we cant
15:31.19 brlcad hm, indeed ... let's see if it's just additional columns
15:32.56 maths22 i can try to get you a file to test
15:32.57 brlcad ahh, I see
15:33.29 brlcad it's indeed not changing the status, but just making sure you're not changing the title/description/etc of tasks actively claimed
15:33.36 brlcad duh
15:33.55 brlcad line 147 is where it's set
15:34.41 brlcad and if sync_key matches, it uses the task it matched
15:35.01 brlcad darn
15:35.15 brlcad well, so we can either live with it or modify melange
15:35.23 maths22 yep. do you want to put in a ticket?
15:35.33 maths22 or i can
15:36.02 brlcad they're not going to do it in time, but they will take a patch from us that makes it work
15:36.32 brlcad that task from arcriley you came across, it was closed so quickly because he gave them a patch that implemented it ;)
15:36.45 maths22 that is true. unpublished should work
15:36.57 brlcad in fact, that's why it was surprising -- I was just talking with Arc about that feature the week before
15:37.05 maths22 nevermind that tatement
15:37.14 maths22 i will take a look
15:39.40 brlcad maths22: it's totally up to you, but I think we can live with it as-is, to not worry about the state
15:40.17 brlcad if the interface still lets us create all our tasks more quickly, track these copies, and lets us keep a copy in sync on our website, it'll be a huge win
15:40.46 maths22 ok. will do replication soon
15:41.23 brlcad auto-assigning the sync_id alone will help because it'll mean I can keep hitting an upload button without fear of creating 200 copies of all tasks
15:41.43 maths22 this is true
15:42.44 brlcad the last useful bit (for much later) is probably to tie in your script that downloads all the upload data into folders :)
15:42.59 brlcad was that your script or someone else's?
15:43.32 maths22 it was mine
15:43.54 maths22 where is it?
15:44.28 brlcad i've used it a few times since last year
15:44.35 brlcad it's where you last left it ;)
15:44.45 brlcad if only there were a script to download the download script
15:45.55 maths22 was it a gci task?
15:54.15 maths22 found it
15:56.43 maths22 by the way, does bz have java 7?
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16:22.54 brlcad maths22: heh, you do recall fisheye, atlassian, jenkins, ...
16:26.22 ankesh11 I need a MySQL account on the server to set up the benchmark site, would be great if any of the admins, maths22 ``Erik et all can help with that.
16:27.56 brlcad hi ankesh11!
16:28.05 ankesh11 hi brlcad!
16:30.00 ankesh11 I am also a bit late in seeing the GCI mail, but let me know how I can be involved.
16:30.21 brlcad you're already helping :)
16:30.37 maths22 brlcad: what about them?
16:30.52 brlcad once we get everything set up and confirm it's working, the next step will be to define a set of tasks for improving it
16:31.03 brlcad maths22: what about what?
16:31.17 maths22 what tabout those tools?
16:32.53 brlcad ankesh11: creating your mysql instance
16:33.05 brlcad maths22: you'd asked about java
16:33.07 brlcad they're all java
16:33.25 maths22 I found java 6
16:33.28 brlcad ooh, java *7*!
16:33.30 maths22 I was asking about java 7
16:33.33 maths22 Yep
16:33.40 brlcad i just saw the 7 .. looked like ??
16:33.42 maths22 I figure 8 is too new
16:33.52 maths22 OK
16:34.04 brlcad probably but /usr/ports is what tracks all that
16:34.09 ankesh11 brlcad: Great, while you are at it, can you also install virtualenv?
16:35.03 brlcad ankesh11: already installed
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16:35.17 brlcad maths22: there's openjdk7 and 8
16:35.23 brlcad is that what you need?
16:35.36 brlcad maths22: have you used freebsd ports before?
16:35.40 maths22 I have not
16:35.50 maths22 but that is what I need
16:35.53 brlcad cd /usr/ports and browse around ... it's the package management system for freebsd
16:36.13 maths22 I know that they are there, but how does that help me?
16:36.22 maths22 I don't think I can just install them to my homedir
16:36.26 brlcad you "should" be able to download and compile anything in there
16:36.31 ankesh11 Great!
16:37.26 brlcad no, they don't install into your home dir (though I think that might be configurable), but the point is to system-install them
16:37.46 maths22 I can't install them, though; i don't think I have the right permissions
16:37.46 brlcad if you think you can be careful, I'll set your bit so you can do installs
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16:38.52 maths22 I will be careful-at this point I will check before I do anything
16:39.03 brlcad maths22: done, just try to announce any installations here for the sanity of myself and the other admins
16:39.25 brlcad ports can be very unforgiving if you mess something up or override or ignore something it warned you about
16:40.17 brlcad the whole hierarchy is built for old-school devs -- it's a massive Makefile system
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16:41.01 brlcad you'll want to cd to the dir of interest and run "make" ... read the output, especially near the end and if everything looks good, run "make install" (after making any manual backups if you're not sure, and asking questions if messages are strange)
16:41.28 brlcad you can run "make search key=something" for a simple poor man's search
16:41.45 brlcad there are about 1000 other tips and tricks that you can search the web or ask about too ;)
16:41.52 maths22 Thanks
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16:55.25 brlcad maths22: I must say, our level of spam this past year has been pheneomenally low, awesome
16:55.42 maths22 That is nice
16:57.18 brlcad ``Erik: any reason all of /usr/ports is 755 instead of 775?
16:57.31 brlcad fixes
17:01.34 brlcad maths22: it's still in the middle of repairing the perms, so it'll be a little slow
17:01.39 brlcad that's a huge tree
17:02.18 maths22 Ok
17:02.22 maths22 hopefuly that will fix it
17:09.41 brlcad yikes, careful with rm -rf in the main web root!
17:10.31 brlcad sometimes good idea to move somewhere like the attic dir, and then remove there
17:10.43 brlcad ankesh11: apparently, you've had mysql set up for a LONG time
17:12.36 maths22 what did I do?
17:15.32 brlcad maths22: ah, my misread, you were in /usr/home/www, not /usr/web
17:16.03 maths22 yep
17:16.12 brlcad running rm -rf is always disconverting, but even doubly dangerous in /usr/web/*/
17:16.27 brlcad especially via your new sudo powers ;)
17:16.34 maths22 I'm trying to svnsync the repo, and I wanted to clear out the first try
17:16.42 brlcad <PROTECTED>
17:17.14 maths22 There isn't already a synced copy on the server, is there?
17:18.53 maths22 actually, there is one in backup that is not too old-that will serve my purposes
17:20.01 brlcad maths22: yes, there is, the one your found
17:21.20 ankesh11 brlcad: Oh, wasn't aware of that. Where should I look for credentials?
17:22.39 ``Erik brlcad: (re ports 755/775) nope, artifact of umask
17:23.34 brlcad ``Erik: no worries, found out that's all been changed anyways .. can no longer run make as a peon without setting INSTALL_AS_USER
17:23.51 brlcad which I don't want to do .. I want to build as user, install as root
17:24.03 brlcad wonders if sudo make install will do the right thing
17:24.13 ``Erik I typically use portmaster for all that stuff
17:24.33 ``Erik "sudo portmaster catagory/port"
17:25.04 brlcad still navigate/build/install manually
17:25.11 ``Erik sudo make install SHOULD work fine, but you'll have to do the sudo make clean-recursive or something to clean up
17:25.18 brlcad portnewb
17:25.21 ``Erik clean-dependancies? something
17:25.36 brlcad i'm just wondering how that all plays with INSTALL_AS_USER
17:26.06 brlcad since that seems to put the files down in /usr/db/ports/USER/package or somesuch
17:26.11 ``Erik INSTALL_AS_USER is an extra for the new staging stuff
17:27.18 ``Erik fbsd ports now install to a staging directory to make sure it works, then moves it to the final destination... I'd, uh, avoid that stuff if you don't have a very specific reason... :)
17:30.58 brlcad oof, for an 8-core machine, it's REALLY slow right now
17:31.04 brlcad disk I/O is killing
17:31.10 brlcad hopefully not a dying drive
17:31.44 maths22 that is probably the combination of ports and fisheye
17:31.48 maths22 I will pause fisheye for now
17:32.21 brlcad and the recurseive permissions change (still running... )
17:33.49 maths22 Oh. 3 disk intesive things probably makes things angry
17:38.38 brlcad nods
17:39.31 ``Erik user www seems to be running a bunch of svn processes, as well
17:40.23 maths22 those are fisheye (I hope...)
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17:42.10 ``Erik I thought fisheye was the big java process?
17:42.41 ``Erik these svn procs are being launched from httpd, not java
17:43.11 maths22 that is fisheye.
17:43.20 maths22 Let me see what httpd is doing to spawn svn
17:43.27 maths22 by that i mean the big java thing
17:48.55 brlcad maths22: when you run into kernel module issues like that, talk to ``Erik
17:49.08 ankesh11 How much background do we except the GCI students to have?
17:49.08 brlcad he's in the know on most advanced questions
17:49.19 brlcad ankesh11: minimal to none
17:49.41 brlcad we tell them the background we expect and that background should be min or at least very well-defined
17:49.49 brlcad see some of the existing tasks
17:49.58 ankesh11 Okay, defining coding tasks is tough then I suppose.
17:50.07 maths22 Thanks
17:50.07 ankesh11 Alright, looking into them now
17:50.31 brlcad not at all, we have had lots of coding tasks, and we say "basic familiarity with C" or whatever language is expected
17:50.56 brlcad some of the students are quite advanced
17:55.20 ``Erik hopefully we have a number of non-coding tasks as well... documentation, art resources, stuff like that. Even as document testers (please go through this documented procedure and take notes on anything confusing, that didn't work right, etc)
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19:04.06 starseeker indeed - for documentation verification it is actually best to have inexperienced users.
19:04.33 starseeker user interface testing too, for that matter, once we have an interface that doesn't make even experienced experts wince
19:07.28 starseeker if someone can figure out the comgeom importer, we can define lots of those PDF->ascii tasks.
19:07.56 starseeker I got as far as bringing in shapes, but something about the matrix stuff wasn't quite right (on my end, I think)
19:12.11 starseeker ah, right - doc/csv_to_comgeom.txt
19:12.38 maths22 starseeker: I can try to work on the comgeom stuff with you
19:12.51 starseeker maths22: it's fairly close
19:12.54 maths22 I made the trascript for gci last year
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19:14.00 starseeker maths22: if we can get all the way to the "final" model, we can actually define tasks that will allow for correctness checking
19:14.20 starseeker not to mention actually rewarding the students with cool visuals...
19:15.11 starseeker grumbles... should have checked in the transcripts
19:15.58 starseeker puts together a script - will want to have this "pre-packaged" for students anyway
19:16.41 starseeker maths22: did you develop a set of "best practices" when you were doing the transcript last year that might be helpful to students this year?
19:17.12 maths22 No-I just ran it through an OCR tool and hand-tweaked the results
19:17.15 maths22 Lots of busy work
19:17.25 starseeker nods
19:17.35 starseeker (thanks again for your dedication on that effort, bty)
19:17.48 starseeker which OCR tool?
19:18.06 maths22 I don't remember now-I think a trial of some pro one
19:18.33 maths22 http://www.abbyy.com/
19:18.47 maths22 I tried with free ones first-and it was horribly awful
19:18.56 starseeker heh - tesseract et. al.?
19:19.05 maths22 Yep
19:19.12 maths22 They do not do well on tables
19:19.19 starseeker maths22: do you happen to have a link handy to your transcripts?
19:19.56 maths22 http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5597236545191936
19:20.11 starseeker awesome, thanks
19:33.04 ``Erik heh, rowing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDvMBPZ5Bik
19:33.19 starseeker maths22: humph. I wasn't as close as I though, looks like
19:36.59 starseeker maths22: we need to make it look like something the code in src/conv/comgeom-g can read
19:37.17 brlcad ``Erik: haha, how'd you come across that?
19:37.24 ``Erik cheezburger
19:37.45 brlcad it made the rounds yesterday in our rowing club
19:38.02 brlcad so many levels of epic fail and bad parents
19:38.05 ``Erik ah, cool :) seems like a whole lot of "what not to do"
19:38.51 brlcad like they literally threw some kids into boats and said "go row down the river together"
19:40.18 brlcad the sad thing is that we're at the end of the rowing season and they've probably been rowing at least one season
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19:42.40 ``Erik seems like something abnormal happened at the beginning and no one knew how to cope (inexperience?), but I'm sure I only saw a fraction of what was going on and going wrong, not being a rower :)
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19:45.25 starseeker shakes his head - probably have to reconstruct what a "valid" form of that file is according to comgeom-g and figure out a template from there
19:48.37 Stragus Ahah Erik, nice
20:03.52 brlcad hi Izakey, thanks for adding the curvature tasks
20:03.53 brlcad good ones
20:04.18 Izakey Thanks brlcad
20:04.40 Izakey I also added some Documentation tasks
20:08.03 brlcad excellent
20:08.58 Izakey is now scouring for some kids who can participate in the GCI '15 under BRL-CAD
20:12.00 Notify 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 63425 brlcad/trunk/doc/history.txt: add additional information about brl-cad's origins and the xm-1 tank design
20:19.07 brlcad six hungry java procs
20:19.46 Stragus nominates the kids from ``Erik's video
20:21.04 starseeker growl
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20:42.17 starseeker maths22: I'm probably going to have to step through a debugger with this to figure it out - the program vdeck can produce examples from existing .g files if that's helpful, but I think it may be using a somewhat newer version of COMGEOM than the one you transcribed
20:59.51 Notify 03BRL-CAD Wiki:IIIzzzaaakkk * 7796 /wiki/Deuces: /* Translate "Contributors Guide To BRL-CAD" To Any Language */
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21:22.08 Notify 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 63427 brlcad/trunk/TODO: add a handful of tasks prompted by prioritization notes from 2007 that are still relevant today. document the features our interfaces need, integrate adrt, improved vol support, mesh and nurbs editing, overlap reporting, and image underlay.
21:22.42 brlcad woah, about time to do a filesystem audit .. less than 8% left on the main hard drive and it's a 500GB drive
21:45.59 ``Erik meh, /usr has 42G left, probably not that big of a concern just yet...
21:53.33 maths22 The space free has increased
21:53.49 maths22 Some of it is probably me cleaning my homedir, but not all of it
21:54.29 ``Erik I deleted some old cl-store files, that was uhhh, 2% O:-)
21:56.01 ``Erik looks like another 4% has disappeared
22:22.13 maths22 I installed the nano editor on BZ
22:59.31 Notify 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 63428 (brlcad/trunk/src/conv/jack/g-jack.c brlcad/trunk/src/conv/jack/jack-g.c): got a reply from the jack technomatix guys, they say support for that format is still in there.
23:06.32 brlcad maths22: what? you're not an emacs pro by now? :)
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23:29.38 deekay brlcad: Hi
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23:59.27 ``Erik sudo ln -sf /bin/ed /usr/local/bin/nano
23:59.38 ``Erik O:-)

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