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| 05:13.50 | Notify | 02GCI:brlcad * 5924891446476800 : nice work - Mandarj, Thank you! This looks good now. It's already been committed to our sources and you've been credited in our authorship documentation. If you'd... |
| 05:15.02 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 63736 brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/CMakeLists.txt: apply gci patch https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5924891446476800 from mandarj which provides a g-voxel manual page. |
| 05:15.03 | gcibot | Write manual page documentation (for g-voxel) |
| 05:15.03 | gcibot | Status: NeedsReview (36 hrs 43 min) |
| 05:15.03 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Harmanpreet, Ishwerdas |
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| 05:16.31 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 63737 (brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS brlcad/trunk/NEWS): credit mandarj with manpage documentation for g-voxel. |
| 05:16.53 | Notify | 02GCI:o7p9bxbnyj * 6370679909777408 : Update the comment - That's true, sorry! I had been intending to put more information in the commit message, but I'll add it to the file as well. Sorry about... |
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| 05:25.58 | gcibot | Implement a UV-mapping callback for extruded sketches (EXTRUDE) |
| 05:25.58 | gcibot | Status: Closed |
| 05:25.58 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Harmanpreet, Dishank |
| 05:26.00 | Notify | task regardless. |
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| 05:35.35 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:peter-sa * 63739 (brlcad/trunk/include/db5.h brlcad/trunk/src/librt/comb/comb.c and 2 others): Apply GCI task http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5814267383119872 that removes the db5_enc_len librt global variable by replacing it with a preprocessor macro in db5.h that easily computes the number of bytes used for a given value of DB5HDR_WIDTHCODE_*. |
| 05:35.35 | gcibot | Eliminate any library global variable #3 |
| 05:35.36 | gcibot | Status: Closed |
| 05:35.36 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Mandeep Kaur, Jacob B |
| 05:40.36 | MarcTannous_ | brlcad: are you ardund? |
| 05:40.39 | MarcTannous_ | around* |
| 05:41.47 | MarcTannous_ | I have aniamted the brl-cad logo and it looks pretty nice, but there are no more animation tasks open :(# |
| 05:47.18 | MarcTannous_ | also https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5522147732619264 |
| 05:47.19 | gcibot | Create a Motion Typography video for BRL-CAD #2 |
| 05:47.19 | gcibot | Status: NeedsReview (3 days 17 hrs 23 min) |
| 05:47.19 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Mihai Neacsu, Ishwerdas |
| 06:10.10 | Notify | 02GCI:parthmiglani_21 * 5578661449170944 : Excuse Me! - Hi Aditya! What are you trying to say? I've did anything like that. I and Jatin luthra have accessed the article ""Introduction to MGED"".... |
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| 08:19.53 | andrei_ | what's wrong with notify ? |
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| 08:23.42 | MarcTannous | Andrei, I uploaded my video to youtube |
| 08:24.11 | MarcTannous | Please check it now, there might have been an issue on your end |
| 08:24.26 | andrei_ | can you paste a link here? |
| 08:25.32 | MarcTannous | I m on my phone, I posted it on my task on google melange |
| 08:25.40 | MarcTannous | Can t access irc from school computers |
| 08:25.45 | andrei_ | okay |
| 08:26.28 | d_rossberg | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACJxCEto5-A&list=UUR92ZPZIW1WACeE9iEWaU6Q |
| 08:26.58 | andrei_ | ah, thanks |
| 08:29.08 | andrei_ | MarcTannous: yeah, it's different from what my local player displays |
| 08:29.11 | andrei_ | I ll have a look |
| 08:29.37 | MarcTannous | It s running on h264, it might be missing on your end |
| 08:30.40 | Stragus | Neat |
| 08:31.08 | Stragus | I don't think I could listen to that music for 5 minutes... but it's looking good |
| 08:31.19 | andrei_ | MarcTannous: apparently Daniel reviewed it already |
| 08:31.25 | MarcTannous | Yeah, that s some free music I added |
| 08:31.37 | andrei_ | ah lol |
| 08:31.38 | MarcTannous | Cool music for promo videos costs big money |
| 08:31.50 | andrei_ | you re not required to use that :) |
| 08:32.01 | andrei_ | also, I don't have speakers, I didn't even know there was music :p |
| 08:32.13 | Stragus | You didn't miss much :p |
| 08:32.17 | andrei_ | haha |
| 08:35.52 | MarcTannous | There you go daniel |
| 08:36.30 | MarcTannous | I will give you the exact track name when I get home but please close it so I can claim the task that compiles on fossil |
| 08:36.53 | MarcTannous | As I ve done that yesterday and it would be a shame if someone else would claim it ;( |
| 08:37.07 | d_rossberg | MarcTannous: you should give this band credit in yout task (i.e. mention their name) and post a link to their YouTube channel there |
| 08:38.24 | d_rossberg | MarcTannous: ok, set your tast to "done" (ready for review) again |
| 08:38.50 | MarcTannous | It s set on needs review |
| 08:38.59 | d_rossberg | task is closed |
| 08:39.06 | MarcTannous | I will ping you here on IRC with the band name when I get home |
| 08:39.46 | d_rossberg | better: add it as a comment to your old task |
| 08:40.03 | MarcTannous | d_rossberg: for compiling tasks, a detailed log of what I ve done and how I fixed the encountered issues oka |
| 08:40.06 | MarcTannous | Okay? |
| 08:40.15 | MarcTannous | Will add it to the task then :D |
| 08:40.23 | andrei_ | MarcTannous: claim your task |
| 08:40.43 | MarcTannous | I requested claim |
| 08:41.09 | MarcTannous | If I provide a detailed log of my actions for the installation and compilation, would that suffice? |
| 08:42.08 | d_rossberg | sounds good to me |
| 08:43.00 | andrei_ | yeah, same |
| 08:43.05 | MarcTannous | Cool, will provide it when I get home |
| 08:43.29 | andrei_ | MarcTannous: out of curiosity |
| 08:43.37 | andrei_ | do you have a link to the leaderboard |
| 08:43.39 | andrei_ | ? |
| 08:43.44 | Stragus | Eh, Shazam apparently doesn't recognize the music |
| 08:43.44 | MarcTannous | Yes |
| 08:44.14 | andrei_ | can you paste it here? |
| 08:44.22 | MarcTannous | I can provide it when I get home, if you want it now google : kuckuck treehouse unofficial leaderboard 5000 |
| 08:44.35 | MarcTannous | Do not have the exact link but that should return it |
| 08:45.25 | andrei_ | found it |
| 08:45.31 | andrei_ | http://kuckuck.treehouse.su:5000/org/brlcad/ |
| 08:45.51 | MarcTannous | Yeah that s it |
| 08:46.17 | MarcTannous | By the way andrei, I completed the unit test for bomb.c and it only took me the entire weekend |
| 08:46.58 | andrei_ | awesome |
| 08:47.00 | andrei_ | did you use fork? |
| 08:47.01 | MarcTannous | Preprocessors are confusing |
| 08:47.18 | MarcTannous | Yep |
| 08:47.36 | Stragus | Regarding the preprocessor, wait until you need to stringify stuff and append tokens :) |
| 08:47.41 | Stragus | That is indeed confusing |
| 08:47.57 | MarcTannous | I had a lot of compilation errors |
| 08:48.05 | MarcTannous | When I defined stuff inside an ifdef for some reason |
| 08:48.41 | Stragus | Anything that appears in an #ifdef will not be seen by the compiler at all if the #ifdef is false |
| 08:48.43 | andrei_ | because you probably attempted to use it outside of it |
| 08:48.50 | andrei_ | or that |
| 08:49.01 | MarcTannous | Yeah |
| 08:49.42 | MarcTannous | Did not know that does not work |
| 08:49.53 | MarcTannous | And stack overflow was not that helpful |
| 08:50.18 | Stragus | Feel free to ask stuff here |
| 08:51.05 | MarcTannous | Nobody was here during the weekend :( |
| 08:51.13 | MarcTannous | Ch3ck helped me out a bit though |
| 08:51.33 | Stragus | now sees that you did ask, oops |
| 08:51.51 | Stragus | Ask again later :p |
| 08:53.07 | MarcTannous | Andrei, is there a new batch of tasks coming out soon? |
| 08:54.50 | andrei_ | MarcTannous: I planned to |
| 08:55.05 | andrei_ | but moving house is somehow time and energy consuming |
| 08:56.13 | andrei_ | also, for an open source organization of this size, BRL-CAD is very active |
| 08:56.25 | andrei_ | I waited about 1 week for an answer from net-snmp guys .. |
| 08:57.10 | MarcTannous | I just wanted more coding tasks to try |
| 08:57.43 | andrei_ | aaah |
| 08:57.48 | MarcTannous | The ones that are available right now are fixing unit tests ( they are all fixed ) or removing global variables ( the ones left have hundreds of calls ) |
| 08:57.58 | andrei_ | coding tasks can never run out |
| 08:58.04 | andrei_ | have no worries :) |
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| 08:58.17 | MarcTannous | The unit tests failing should be fixed by andromeda soon |
| 08:58.25 | andrei_ | :)) |
| 08:58.28 | MarcTannous | He said he will submit a patch regarding the whole 32 64 bit issue |
| 08:58.32 | sofat | maths22, please accept my pull request |
| 08:58.55 | MarcTannous | Hope my compilation log is okay |
| 08:59.02 | andrei_ | we'll see :) |
| 08:59.11 | andrei_ | if it won't, it will be next time |
| 09:00.05 | MarcTannous | First time adding stuff to PATH |
| 09:02.46 | andrei_ | echo PATH=$PATH:/your/stuff ? |
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| 09:10.35 | MarcTannous | Without echo |
| 09:10.48 | MarcTannous | Echo $PATH to check if it was added |
| 09:11.09 | MarcTannous | That s what the internet advised me to do :P |
| 09:13.40 | andrei_ | you becoming familiar with linux, it seems |
| 09:21.58 | MarcTannous | I will install linux on my machine today :P |
| 09:22.12 | MarcTannous | The debian VM has annoyed me way too much |
| 09:22.40 | andrei_ | how do you plan to install it, dualboot? |
| 09:22.48 | andrei_ | do you know what that is? |
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| 09:49.13 | MarcTannous | Yep andrei, dualboot |
| 09:49.23 | MarcTannous | I need windows for design shenanigans |
| 09:50.05 | andrei_ | I don t even know what those are |
| 09:52.04 | MarcTannous | Everything design related |
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| 09:55.38 | andrei_ | https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5578661449170944 is this forged, or am I wrong? |
| 09:55.39 | gcibot | Model BRL-CAD logo in BRL-CAD #5 |
| 09:55.39 | gcibot | Status: NeedsReview (27 hrs 4 min) |
| 09:55.39 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Kesha Shah, Popescu Andrei |
| 10:02.56 | d_rossberg | compared to the other two "Model BRL-CAD logo in BRL-CAD" tasks which are closed it is different |
| 10:04.19 | d_rossberg | i would say: not forged |
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| 10:18.01 | adityagulati | hi |
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| 10:30.38 | *** topic/#brlcad is Topic for #brlcad: BRL-CAD || http://brlcad.org || logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || Welcome GCI 2014 participants! If you're participating, be patient when asking questions... we're very busy and sometimes have packed schedules. We will respond if you are still on IRC: learn screen+irssi. | |
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| 11:42.53 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 5522147732619264 : None - Marc, Is there an issue with my video player or is there just one frame with "powerful" ? Also, there are some black rectangles randomly appearing... |
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| 11:42.57 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 5834136975572992 : None - Aditya, You have done quite a lot of work so far, but you haven't applied Mihai Neacsu's feedback yet :) Here are some detailed observations: -the... |
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| 11:42.59 | Notify | 02GCI:tannousmarc * 5522147732619264 : Try installing a h264 codec - This is a 1 minute long animation, not just a frame, there must be an issue with your h264 codec. There is no need for you to... |
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| 11:43.01 | Notify | 02GCI:rossberg * 5522147732619264 : References for used resources - Which fonts did you used? Where did the music came from? Beside this, nice video. |
| 11:43.02 | Notify | 02GCI:rossberg * 5522147732619264 : Task Needs More Work - One of the mentors has sent this task back for more work. Talk to the mentor(s) assigned to this task to satisfy the requirements needed to... |
| 11:43.03 | Notify | 02GCI:tannousmarc * 5522147732619264 : None - a) Open Sans & Bebas b) The music is a free track that I downloaded from a band's youtube channel, it is free to use in non-monetized videos. ... |
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| 11:43.08 | andrei_ | it ll get kicked from IRC soon |
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| 11:43.11 | Notify | 02GCI:skyler_007 * 6169030943571968 : Work submitted for feedback - I have considered all your valuable suggestions and sent a revised copy of the home page. Working on the small design. Please let... |
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| 11:43.13 | Notify | 02GCI:gjeet * 6169030943571968 : Nicely done :) - Thanks for your valuable efforts, all the changes I asked are done. Just few more suggestions. Increase the width of Login button as per the... |
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| 11:53.55 | MarcTannous_ | any mentors around? |
| 11:54.12 | adityagulati | I would like to report a forge |
| 11:54.26 | andrei_ | yes |
| 11:54.33 | andrei_ | aditya, please do |
| 11:55.08 | Notify | 02GCI:tannousmarc * 6124204973883392 : Ready for review - The work on this task is ready to be reviewed. |
| 11:55.18 | Notify | 02GCI:tannousmarc * 6124204973883392 : Action log - Submitted a log of steps I've done for this task, issues encountered and how I went around them, hope this is enough. Regards, Marc |
| 11:56.45 | adityagulati | It is not actually a forge but a trial of forging |
| 11:56.52 | andrei_ | a trial of forging ? |
| 11:56.58 | andrei_ | can you elaborate, please? |
| 11:58.10 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 6124204973883392 : None - Marc, this looks good, but you need to upload it on a permanent file, like txt file and not a link to a volatile paste bin Cheers, Andrei |
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| 12:00.31 | Notify | 02GCI:adityagulati * 5834136975572992 : Ready for review - The work on this task is ready to be reviewed. |
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| 12:01.31 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 6124204973883392 : None - Marc, As we discussed, you still have to upload the logs, but from my point of view, the task is done, and well documented. Well done, glad to see... |
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| 12:01.46 | andrei_ | adityagulati: you still haven't explained us? |
| 12:03.22 | adityagulati | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5578661449170944, In This Task, A Boy Of My School(Parth Miglani) First Tried To Copy Michael Huang's Work And Then When I Warned Him He Removed The Task And Now He Took My Task, Reduced The Height Of Everything And Increased The Width Of Cuboids And Changed The Color But I Detected The For |
| 12:03.23 | adityagulati | ge As It Has The Same Hairline Fracture. |
| 12:04.44 | adityagulati | And Also Removed 2 Cylinders To Make It Look Different |
| 12:05.04 | andrei_ | Aditya, I might be wrong, but this task belongs to Vladimir Kuznetsov |
| 12:05.22 | andrei_ | actually, no, I checked |
| 12:05.25 | andrei_ | it does belong to him |
| 12:05.29 | andrei_ | and his file is different |
| 12:05.43 | andrei_ | You did tell us about that forgery attempt and we removed his other claims as well |
| 12:05.54 | andrei_ | is there any other task |
| 12:05.57 | andrei_ | that he stole from you? |
| 12:06.34 | adityagulati | Then Parth Might Upload His File Soon As I Saw Him Doing This In My School Today |
| 12:06.45 | YashM | I think uploaded work should only be visible to mentors to avoid forging |
| 12:06.55 | adityagulati | Sorry For Disturbing You |
| 12:06.56 | Notify | 02GCI:rohit_agarwal * 6187982620983296 : Claim Removed - The claim on this task has been removed, someone else can claim it now. |
| 12:06.59 | MarcTannous_ | andrei_, I cannot upload the log as the task is closed |
| 12:07.11 | Notify | 02GCI:rohit_agarwal * 6424327624851456 : Task Claimed - I would like to work on this task. |
| 12:07.13 | MarcTannous_ | andrei_, can I upload it to a pastebin or something and just comment with the link? |
| 12:07.35 | andrei_ | MarcTannous_ : yeah, and keep the files, we probably have an ftp server |
| 12:07.40 | andrei_ | to which you can upload them |
| 12:07.57 | andrei_ | adityagulati: you aren't disturbing me(or us)! Thanks for letting us know |
| 12:08.04 | andrei_ | and feel free to do it any time, regarding any issue |
| 12:08.19 | MarcTannous_ | http://pastebin.com/5Hfc11gV here you are, posting it as a comment to the task right now |
| 12:08.39 | andrei_ | YashM: the uploaded work is visible just for the mentors indeed as long as a task is in progress, but it is visible afterwards as tasks rely one onto another |
| 12:08.51 | Notify | 02GCI:tannousmarc * 6124204973883392 Compile BRL-CAD with Tcl/Tk's latest core-8-5-branch https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/6124204973883392: Build log : Build log - ... |
| 12:09.03 | andrei_ | i.e Marc's high resolution logo is used in plenty occasions |
| 12:09.06 | andrei_ | and that's ok |
| 12:09.16 | Notify | 02GCI:gjeet * 6424327624851456 : Task Assigned - This task has been assigned to Rohit Agarwal. You have 100 hours to complete this task, good luck! |
| 12:11.23 | MarcTannous_ | https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/6435641374015488 is this supposed to be a beginner task? |
| 12:11.23 | gcibot | Compile BRL-CAD with LLVM trunk |
| 12:11.24 | gcibot | Status: Open |
| 12:11.24 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Hardeep Singh Rai, Mihai Neacsu |
| 12:12.14 | andrei_ | compiling tasks are generally easy |
| 12:12.19 | andrei_ | so, I would say yeah |
| 12:13.49 | MarcTannous_ | I'll take a user interface task then, the coding tasks remaining are pretty inacessible |
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| 12:14.19 | MarcTannous_ | The global variable tasks are pretty much unapproachable as there are only a few globals left that don't have hundreds of apparitions in the source code |
| 12:14.24 | andrei_ | adityagulati: just to be clear, the task that I closed(http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5578661449170944) belongs to someone else, not the guy you mentioned. Both me and d_rossberg agreed it's not a forgery |
| 12:14.29 | MarcTannous_ | The unit tests are all fixed too :/ |
| 12:15.38 | andrei_ | adityagulati: regarding future forges by the same person, Parth Miglani, we ll be careful ! Could you tell him to join us on IRC? He's not going to get any task accepted, and it's a pity, cause there are plenty accesible tasks |
| 12:15.57 | andrei_ | MarcTannous_ : all coding tasks seem inaccesible? Let me have a look ! |
| 12:16.14 | MarcTannous_ | the ones C-related, yeah |
| 12:17.15 | andrei_ | https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5893656028381184 |
| 12:17.18 | gcibot | Identify and eliminate dead code (100+ lines) |
| 12:17.18 | gcibot | Status: Reopened |
| 12:17.18 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Deepak, Mihai Neacsu |
| 12:17.18 | MarcTannous_ | and the compiling ones are marked as beginner so I can't claim any of these |
| 12:17.21 | andrei_ | this seems like an easy task |
| 12:17.26 | MarcTannous_ | no idea how that should be done effectively |
| 12:17.40 | MarcTannous_ | the manual approach seems to not be optimal |
| 12:17.45 | MarcTannous_ | at the very least |
| 12:18.08 | andrei_ | this is accesible as well https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5273186463645696 |
| 12:18.09 | gcibot | Implement new API function to reduce duplication #6 |
| 12:18.09 | gcibot | Status: Open |
| 12:18.09 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Jacob B, Hardeep Singh Rai |
| 12:18.13 | andrei_ | Marc, what do you mean manual approach |
| 12:18.38 | andrei_ | there is no software to automatically reduce duplication, it's vendors would arguably be amongst the tech giants in no time |
| 12:18.46 | andrei_ | there is one to detect it, however. |
| 12:18.58 | MarcTannous_ | so the approach is reading through all the code and figuring out what stuff is useless? |
| 12:19.01 | MarcTannous_ | Simian? |
| 12:19.19 | andrei_ | yes |
| 12:19.21 | andrei_ | Simian |
| 12:19.22 | andrei_ | http://www.harukizaemon.com/simian/ |
| 12:19.33 | andrei_ | simian detects, doesn't fix |
| 12:20.00 | MarcTannous_ | erm |
| 12:20.05 | MarcTannous_ | this page is referenced but does not exist |
| 12:20.07 | MarcTannous_ | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Code_cleanup |
| 12:20.33 | andrei_ | what do you exactly need the page for? |
| 12:20.37 | andrei_ | also, you can write it yourself? |
| 12:20.43 | andrei_ | (once you do the task) ? |
| 12:21.18 | andrei_ | acually |
| 12:21.19 | andrei_ | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Code_Cleanup |
| 12:21.20 | andrei_ | it works to me |
| 12:21.30 | andrei_ | the reference is broken |
| 12:21.39 | MarcTannous_ | oh, capital C |
| 12:21.42 | andrei_ | it works for me* |
| 12:21.50 | andrei_ | yep |
| 12:22.12 | MarcTannous_ | okay, I'll get to work |
| 12:22.17 | MarcTannous_ | no idea how Simian works tho, this should be fun |
| 12:22.30 | MarcTannous_ | oh wait |
| 12:22.33 | MarcTannous_ | can't claim the task |
| 12:22.37 | MarcTannous_ | it's marked as beginner -.- |
| 12:23.06 | andrei_ | do you want it? |
| 12:23.09 | andrei_ | I'll remove the claim |
| 12:23.11 | andrei_ | erm |
| 12:23.14 | andrei_ | sorry, the tag |
| 12:23.33 | MarcTannous_ | yes, the 100+ lines removal does not seem that easy to me to be honest |
| 12:23.37 | MarcTannous_ | but it's up to you guys |
| 12:23.52 | andrei_ | https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5893656028381184 |
| 12:23.53 | gcibot | Identify and eliminate dead code (100+ lines) |
| 12:23.53 | gcibot | Status: Reopened |
| 12:23.53 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Popescu Andrei, Mihai Neacsu, Deepak |
| 12:23.55 | andrei_ | fixed it :) |
| 12:24.17 | andrei_ | I haven't digged through brlcad in a while |
| 12:24.20 | andrei_ | but last time I checked |
| 12:24.26 | Notify | 02GCI:tannousmarc * 5893656028381184 : Task Claimed - I would like to work on this task. |
| 12:24.41 | andrei_ | there were copy pastes larger than 100 |
| 12:24.47 | andrei_ | literal copy pastes |
| 12:25.27 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 5893656028381184 : Task Assigned - This task has been assigned to Marc Tannous. You have 96 hours to complete this task, good luck! |
| 12:29.55 | andrei_ | maths22: ping, you here? |
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| 12:37.17 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 6178630262587392 : Task Assigned - This task has been assigned to suraj goel. You have 100 hours to complete this task, good luck! |
| 12:40.44 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 6353662997692416 Design a BRL-CAD splash screen #3 https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/6353662997692416: Completed Mukul, You have clearly put more... |
| 12:43.53 | adityagulati | could someone review my task |
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| 12:44.36 | adityagulati | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5834136975572992 |
| 12:44.37 | gcibot | Design a web page that overviews the BRL-CAD contributors #2 |
| 12:44.37 | gcibot | Status: NeedsReview (2 days 1 hrs 6 min) |
| 12:44.37 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Mihai Neacsu, Daniel_R |
| 12:47.25 | andrei_ | Marc |
| 12:47.26 | andrei_ | you here? |
| 12:47.31 | YashM | How do I render a 2048 version of the logo if it doesn't fit my screen and I can't save it either? |
| 12:47.49 | MarcTannous_ | yes andrei |
| 12:47.51 | MarcTannous_ | I'm around |
| 12:48.21 | MarcTannous_ | aditya, the text on your page is not centered on both my monitors ( 1920x1080 and 1280x1024 ) |
| 12:48.40 | Notify | 02GCI:monimont * 5845550716944384 : Task Claimed - I would like to work on this task. |
| 12:49.36 | adityagulati | Marc: It Appears Fine In My Monitor |
| 12:49.36 | andrei_ | Marc: ask brlcad when he's around what to do with those logs, tell him that I closed the task by mistake before you uploaded the logs |
| 12:49.57 | MarcTannous_ | sure |
| 12:50.48 | YashM | Anyone? |
| 12:51.13 | andrei_ | YashM: I m not sure, why can't you save it? |
| 12:51.29 | adityagulati | marc:The Top Banner Is Not In The Center As I Moved It Aside To Accommodate The Logo |
| 12:52.28 | YashM | I always gotta print screen it |
| 12:53.11 | andrei_ | huh? |
| 12:53.15 | andrei_ | what do you mean, YashM |
| 12:54.11 | YashM | There doesn't seem to be an option to save the rendered image, however there may be a command to save the image |
| 12:54.24 | andrei_ | adityagulati: regarding your design: the large icons were replaced by large text, I left you a feedback saying that you should use a size similar to that of profile pics |
| 12:54.26 | andrei_ | and add the text below |
| 12:54.35 | MarcTannous_ | there is an option to save the rendering as a png yash |
| 12:54.40 | MarcTannous_ | if I recall correctly |
| 12:54.41 | andrei_ | your text is too large, imagine having 500 contributors, you d have to scroll through a list |
| 12:54.47 | MarcTannous_ | under raytrace maybe? |
| 12:54.49 | andrei_ | for example, each of you students is credited |
| 12:55.02 | andrei_ | when your work is integrated into our main branch |
| 12:56.07 | andrei_ | also the banner is green and it doesn't fit with the rest of the website |
| 12:56.11 | andrei_ | it doesn't have to be something super complicated |
| 12:56.23 | andrei_ | just a layer of different color, with our logo to it's left, or right |
| 12:56.26 | andrei_ | or however you preffer |
| 12:56.52 | YashM | Theres a save as png option |
| 12:56.52 | andrei_ | don't rush into submitting new versions, focus on being sure you applied what mentors tell you |
| 12:57.02 | andrei_ | it saves time both for you and for us |
| 12:57.08 | YashM | but that doesn't save the rendered image instead saves the wireframe |
| 12:57.31 | MarcTannous_ | try displaying the objects as shaded? |
| 12:57.36 | MarcTannous_ | instead of wireframed |
| 12:57.38 | adityagulati | andrei_ : Right Now The Text Size Is 100 Shall I Change It To 25 |
| 12:58.12 | andrei_ | I don't have a specific size |
| 12:58.15 | MarcTannous_ | aditya: do you know how to work with ems instead of pixels? |
| 12:58.20 | YashM | Nope wont work |
| 12:58.33 | MarcTannous_ | Modern websites have everything in percentages, ems or rems |
| 12:58.52 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 5834136975572992 : Task Needs More Work - One of the mentors has sent this task back for more work. Talk to the mentor(s) assigned to this task to satisfy the requirements... |
| 12:59.07 | Notify | 02GCI:popescuandrei * 5834136975572992 : None - Feedback provided on IRC |
| 12:59.10 | andrei_ | adityagulati: don t worry about time, if you need more, I ll easily extend it |
| 12:59.21 | andrei_ | we do that with every student, whenever necessary |
| 12:59.21 | adityagulati | Mark :Yeah But I Still Prefer Pixels |
| 12:59.23 | MarcTannous_ | look into ems & rems and use these for different screen sizes. Paragraphs text sizes should be between 1-3 ems, Titles 3-5ems, the rest is subjective |
| 12:59.41 | MarcTannous_ | aditya: That's bad practice, try to stay away from pixels as much as possible |
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| 13:00.09 | MarcTannous_ | Think that 50% of internet traffic is done from phones & tablets, and websites designed in pixels just flat out don't work on these devices |
| 13:00.26 | MarcTannous_ | and the percentage of internet traffic coming from mobile devices will keep growing as they get better and better |
| 13:01.01 | YashM | Marc, how did you save the 2048px version |
| 13:01.03 | adityagulati | Ok I will Make My Further Design In ems |
| 13:01.35 | MarcTannous_ | YashM: I'd render in 1900px size and the object being pretty zoomed in, my screen being 1920px |
| 13:01.44 | MarcTannous_ | The rest until 2048x2048 was padding added from Photoshop |
| 13:01.45 | andrei_ | adityagulati: I appreciate your style, it's unique and interesting, but you need to keep a balance between style and utility. As I said, we do have a lot of contributors, imagine seeing like only 20 on a page, and having to scroll through 10 or 15 pages |
| 13:02.08 | YashM | Wouldn't that reduce quality |
| 13:02.17 | MarcTannous_ | YashM: I vectorized my stuff :P |
| 13:02.21 | MarcTannous_ | In Illustrator |
| 13:02.38 | MarcTannous_ | + color modification done in Photoshop |
| 13:03.34 | YashM | Well I was thinking of taking half half views and joining them |
| 13:04.23 | MarcTannous_ | That's a good approach but it will lose quality when resized to like 16x16 or 32x32 |
| 13:04.30 | MarcTannous_ | Why don't you try vectorizing it? |
| 13:04.39 | YashM | Why would it lose quality? |
| 13:05.27 | MarcTannous_ | Because regular images lose quality not only when scaled to a higher res, but also to a lower res |
| 13:05.33 | YashM | I don't have Illustrator either |
| 13:07.00 | YashM | Since I am resizing to multiples of 2048, I don't think it will lose quality |
| 13:08.55 | YashM | Another thing is, if I join two of them, both have different shadows due to different scenes in the rendering process so I would've to add a gradient in the join part to make it look natural but it might look bad |
| 13:10.28 | YashM | Why doesn't Archer have an option to just save the rendered view :P |
| 13:10.58 | andrei_ | discuss with brlcad and add one ! |
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| 13:13.21 | YashM | andrei_, if I only I knew that much coding |
| 13:13.23 | MarcTannous_ | YashM, keep in mind there might be a command that me & you do not know about, ask brlcad when he's here |
| 13:13.55 | YashM | MarcTannous_, yeah there should be |
| 13:16.46 | Notify | 02GCI:monimont * 5845550716944384 : Claim Removed - The claim on this task has been removed, someone else can claim it now. |
| 13:17.29 | andrei_ | got a meeting, gotta run |
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| 13:32.25 | adityagulati | I am making a webpage and as soon as i refresh the line spacing changes itself and randomly |
| 13:32.41 | adityagulati | can anyone suggest me something |
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| 14:28.24 | starseeker | YashM: Archer has a "save as png" option under the Dislpay menu |
| 14:32.57 | YashM | starseeker, that saves the wireframe model but doesn't save the rendered image, am I doing something wrong? |
| 14:55.47 | Notify | 02GCI:gjeet * 6169030943571968 : Deadline extended - The deadline of the task has been extended with 0 days and 20 hours. |
| 14:56.22 | Notify | 02GCI:fazerlicourice71256 * 5230915127083008 : None - I installed and repeated the process with gcc 4.9.2 and have uploaded the build.log and several screenshots. |
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| 15:07.33 | MarcTannous_ | mihaineacsu29: Is running simian on BRL-CAD's src supposed to take ages? |
| 15:07.42 | MarcTannous_ | been running it for at least half an hour on my VM |
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| 15:13.31 | Notify | 02GCI:adityagulati * 5806249618702336 : Query - This is rather a stupid question to ask but can we use the tank wizard |
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| 15:18.53 | Notify | 02GCI:brlcad * 5806249618702336 : Task Assigned - This task has been assigned to Aditya Gulati. You have 100 hours to complete this task, good luck! |
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| 15:21.16 | MarcTannous_ | any mentors around who use Simian? |
| 15:21.25 | MarcTannous_ | I am not sure if I should abort the search or keep going |
| 15:21.36 | MarcTannous_ | It's been one hour since I've started running it and it is still working |
| 15:21.43 | Notify | 02GCI:brlcad * 5230915127083008 : Task Closed - Congratulations, this task has been completed successfully. |
| 15:22.36 | MarcTannous_ | brlcad: ch3ck: d_rossberg: maths22: etc, any idea? |
| 15:23.49 | Notify | 02GCI:brlcad * 5230915127083008 : awesome! - Vamshi, this is perfect, thanks! Apparently GCC added a new compilation warning and some of our code is affected, which is what those... |
| 15:25.36 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 63740 brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/g-voxel.xml: minor touchup (including removal of trailing blanks/tabs) from a manpage |
| 15:27.49 | MarcTannous_ | :( |
| 15:29.18 | Notify | 02GCI:brlcad * 5522147732619264 : post it? - Marc, would you post this to youtube or some other similar public site so we can reference it? Great work. Only issue I noticed is that the "J" in "Join... |
| 15:32.08 | Notify | 02GCI:surajgoel1225 * 6178630262587392 : query - sir, please give me some instructions on how to make the banner. |
| 15:33.06 | YashM | MarcTannous, I guess your VM is slow, what takes 10 seconds on mine takes 10 minutes on your VM |
| 15:34.35 | MarcTannous_ | I have an 8gig i5 system, it's far from a slow PC |
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| 15:35.39 | YashM | I'm talking about the VM |
| 15:36.55 | YashM | Maybe try to increase the resources the VM uses or install a distro? |
| 15:37.09 | MarcTannous_ | it's on full resources, it's locked on 1 core tho |
| 15:37.24 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:carlmoore * 63741 (brlcad/trunk/src/libbn/chull3d.cpp brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/y2038/README.txt brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/y2038/time64_limits.h): remove trailing blanks/tabs; fix a spelling; insert a missing apostrophe |
| 15:38.20 | YashM | Well then, I would suggest installing Debian separately |
| 16:01.44 | MarcTannous_ | I'm installing it separately this is unbelievalb |
| 16:02.19 | YashM | What is? |
| 16:02.30 | MarcTannous_ | the VM |
| 16:03.14 | YashM | The only problem you'll have is to switch every time :) |
| 16:03.26 | YashM | But I suppose it will run a lot faster |
| 16:04.40 | MarcTannous_ | does svn come installed with it? |
| 16:05.14 | YashM | I think you'll have to install it |
| 16:05.47 | MarcTannous_ | I'll also have to checkout brlcad and install all the other tools |
| 16:05.49 | MarcTannous_ | god damn it |
| 16:05.52 | MarcTannous_ | there goes my night's sleep# |
| 16:06.13 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 63742 brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/gui_conversion.tcl: fix CUSTOMBUILD : warning : error while sourcing gui_conversion.tcl: can't read "argv": no such variable |
| 16:06.27 | YashM | or you can waste the night on a linear search :) |
| 16:07.50 | MarcTannous_ | what desktop environment should I install? |
| 16:07.54 | MarcTannous_ | Gnome/KDE/Xfce? |
| 16:08.23 | YashM | Depends on you but I'll personally go with Xfce :) |
| 16:08.35 | YashM | or you can go with GNOME...dunno about KDE |
| 16:08.35 | MarcTannous_ | is the VM running gnome? |
| 16:09.12 | YashM | Not sure |
| 16:10.48 | YashM | I think Xfce is better with Ubuntu |
| 16:11.42 | YashM | you using a live CD? |
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| 16:17.09 | starseeker | there are still unit test breakages on Windows... |
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| 16:19.00 | YashM | starseeker, I am not sure how I should save the rendered image with the "Save as PNG" option |
| 16:19.07 | YashM | Am I missing something |
| 16:19.20 | starseeker | you did the render in archer? |
| 16:19.28 | YashM | yeah |
| 16:19.33 | starseeker | let me try once |
| 16:21.45 | starseeker | do you have the wireframe on top of the raytraced image? |
| 16:22.21 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 63743 (brlcad/trunk/include/raytrace.h brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ls.c): make db_ls() return a size_t since it's a count |
| 16:22.25 | YashM | yeah |
| 16:22.45 | starseeker | try putting the raytrace on top (mode button next to the camera icon for raytracing) |
| 16:24.03 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 63744 brlcad/trunk/src/libged/attr.c: convert attr to using size_t instead of integers. fixes msvc compile warning about possible data loss |
| 16:25.37 | YashM | does that come with a bright blue background |
| 16:25.54 | starseeker | you mean the icon? |
| 16:25.57 | starseeker | or the raytrace? |
| 16:26.00 | YashM | raytrace |
| 16:26.03 | starseeker | it's a setting |
| 16:26.13 | YashM | That seems to work but I need a 2048px canvas, if i run it from command line, it opens a new window |
| 16:26.24 | starseeker | YashM: just output to a png |
| 16:26.26 | starseeker | er pix |
| 16:26.29 | starseeker | on the command line |
| 16:26.31 | starseeker | either one |
| 16:26.50 | starseeker | unless you need to do it in archer? |
| 16:27.21 | YashM | what is the other option? |
| 16:27.30 | starseeker | use the command line rt |
| 16:27.36 | YashM | yeah it opens a new window |
| 16:27.38 | starseeker | or rtwizard |
| 16:27.42 | starseeker | one sec... |
| 16:28.42 | starseeker | rt -o image.png file.g object.r |
| 16:28.46 | starseeker | try that |
| 16:30.05 | starseeker | then you can use -s to scale up the image size |
| 16:31.33 | YashM | where does it put the image? |
| 16:31.51 | ``Erik | in the directory you run rt from |
| 16:32.09 | ``Erik | you can do -o /path/to/file.png if you need it in a certain plcae |
| 16:32.24 | ``Erik | s/cae/ace/ |
| 16:32.42 | YashM | what comes instead of object.r |
| 16:33.11 | ``Erik | whatever toplevel object you want to raytrace |
| 16:34.42 | YashM | Do I also specify the file.g directory |
| 16:36.15 | ``Erik | it looks in the current directory for the .g file if you don't use an absolute path... |
| 16:40.45 | YashM | Is this correct? rt -s1024 -C 255/255/255 -o image.png logo.g logo.r |
| 16:41.40 | YashM | Everything is in rt.exe directory |
| 16:43.10 | ``Erik | as long as logo.g is in the same directory and logo.r exists in logo.g |
| 16:43.56 | YashM | I'm not sure about logo.r, I have 4 regions in my file |
| 16:45.49 | ``Erik | you can do "mged logo.g tops" from the cmd prompt to get the top level object names |
| 16:47.10 | YashM | TCL error |
| 16:47.51 | YashM | http://i.imgur.com/z8ZEJJf.png |
| 16:47.55 | YashM | Not installed properly o.O |
| 16:49.01 | YashM | also, when i put -s1024 to the end, it gives me a 512x512px image |
| 16:49.10 | YashM | but when i put it in the front, rt.exe crashes |
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| 17:50.45 | MarcTannousUnix | so umm |
| 17:51.02 | MarcTannousUnix | I just finished installing Debian on my machine, and making sure I can dual boot |
| 17:51.16 | MarcTannousUnix | Does any of you know how to set up a second monitor on Debian? currently unrecognized |
| 17:55.39 | starseeker | anyone else having trouble committing to sourceforge? |
| 17:55.57 | starseeker | MarcTannousUnix: not off hand - try google with the specific monitor brand |
| 17:56.17 | starseeker | usually prefers Ubuntu when tricky hardware setups are involved... |
| 17:57.19 | MarcTannousUnix | oh nonono |
| 17:57.35 | MarcTannousUnix | I put up too much work to install Debian alongside Windows 8.1 |
| 17:57.39 | MarcTannousUnix | I'm staying on this OS |
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| 18:01.17 | starseeker | MarcTannousUnix: then I suggest checking the various Debian forums to see if anyone has run into a similar issue |
| 18:04.55 | MarcTannousUnix | starseeker: is there any way to install ALL the packages like gcc and gcc++ at once |
| 18:05.00 | MarcTannousUnix | or do I ahve to do all of this manually? |
| 18:05.30 | Stragus | MarcTannousUnix, dual-monitor setup depends of your GPU(s) |
| 18:05.36 | Stragus | Do you have Nvidia? |
| 18:06.00 | MarcTannousUnix | Stragus, AMD |
| 18:06.15 | MarcTannousUnix | my main concern right now is installing all the packages needed at once, I can work on one monitor |
| 18:06.20 | MarcTannousUnix | do you ahve any idea as to how that is done? |
| 18:06.50 | Ch3ck | is back |
| 18:06.57 | Stragus | I never used Debian, did you find an user-friendly package manager software? |
| 18:07.13 | Stragus | You should be able to select everything that you need and click "Install", or so |
| 18:07.48 | MarcTannousUnix | This is gonna be a long night |
| 18:08.18 | Stragus | The first time on Linux does take a little patience :) |
| 18:08.39 | Ch3ck | MarcTannousUnix: well apt-get should probably do the dependency checks durin this process |
| 18:09.46 | MarcTannousUnix | hmm |
| 18:09.47 | MarcTannousUnix | I cannot cmake |
| 18:09.58 | Stragus | Did you install cmake? |
| 18:10.00 | MarcTannousUnix | it says I do not have a c++ compiler but I just installed g++ |
| 18:10.06 | MarcTannousUnix | yes |
| 18:11.04 | Stragus | (I would usually recommend a distribution that installs everything to compile right out of the box, for a programmer) |
| 18:11.19 | MarcTannousUnix | can you give me a link for that |
| 18:11.31 | Ch3ck | well MarcTannousUnix why dont you try ubuntu? |
| 18:11.32 | chick_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.50 | MarcTannousUnix | Ch3ck: I don't know, I want to figure out Debian |
| 18:11.51 | Ch3ck | it's the most friendly version of debian i know of |
| 18:12.03 | Stragus | Did you already do: apt-get install build-essential ? |
| 18:12.17 | Ch3ck | well MarcTannousUnix you could start with ubuntu you'll still learn debian in there |
| 18:12.55 | MarcTannousUnix | E: Package 'build-essential' has no installation candidate |
| 18:13.06 | Ch3ck | thinks MarcTannousUnix should use a system that increases his efficiency |
| 18:13.35 | Stragus | Okay. apt-get install gcc g++ |
| 18:14.17 | MarcTannousUnix | Stragus, E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 18:15.22 | Stragus | Urgh... I'll let the resident Debian/Ubuntu experts help on that one, I'm a Gentoo user for 12 years |
| 18:15.55 | Stragus | hands the microphone over to chick_ and Ch3ck |
| 18:16.19 | Ch3ck | lol |
| 18:17.06 | Ch3ck | MarcTannousUnix: first of all update your debian distribution even if it's a "fresh checkout" ;) |
| 18:17.29 | MarcTannousUnix | I might seem dumb, but how is that done? |
| 18:18.41 | Ch3ck | MarcTannousUnix: it's not dumb your a linux newbie |
| 18:19.23 | Ch3ck | the command is "sudo apt-get update" |
| 18:19.53 | Ch3ck | followed by "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 18:21.04 | MarcTannousUnix | finally |
| 18:21.08 | MarcTannousUnix | a command that returns no errors |
| 18:21.10 | MarcTannousUnix | yay |
| 18:22.06 | Ch3ck | this should update any dependencies |
| 18:22.41 | Ch3ck | after that you can then follow Stragus and chick_ recommendations on installing gcc and g++ |
| 18:24.36 | andromeda-galaxy | Stragus: Gentoo/Arch here too... |
| 18:25.13 | starseeker | MarcTannousUnix: check doc/README.Linux |
| 18:26.11 | MarcTannousUnix | another thing, how can I save sources.list? |
| 18:26.14 | MarcTannousUnix | it does not allow me to |
| 18:26.32 | starseeker | you'll have to do that as root I think |
| 18:26.44 | MarcTannousUnix | sudo? |
| 18:26.48 | starseeker | nods |
| 18:26.53 | starseeker | if that's set up on Debian |
| 18:27.02 | MarcTannousUnix | how do I sudo-save something? |
| 18:27.14 | MarcTannousUnix | I know how to sudo-run commands in terminal, no idea how to save documents as root |
| 18:27.19 | starseeker | you're using an editor, right? |
| 18:27.43 | MarcTannousUnix | yup |
| 18:27.46 | starseeker | just run the editor as sudo - it should be able to save |
| 18:27.53 | starseeker | sudo vim sources.list |
| 18:27.59 | MarcTannousUnix | sudo gedit -b sources.list? |
| 18:28.01 | MarcTannousUnix | ow |
| 18:28.04 | starseeker | sure |
| 18:28.17 | starseeker | or nano, if the graphical aspects are causing trouble |
| 18:28.50 | starseeker | scowls at sourceforge |
| 18:34.54 | MarcTannousUnix | updated, still getting an error when trying to install cmake |
| 18:35.06 | MarcTannousUnix | E: Package 'cmake' has no installation candidate |
| 18:39.27 | MarcTannousUnix | nvm, figured it out |
| 18:40.45 | Ch3ck | MarcTannousUnix: do you have "wheezy" and "wheezy-updates" lines in your sources.list? |
| 18:40.51 | MarcTannousUnix | yeah, that was the issue |
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| 18:41.29 | Ch3ck | so guess everythx is fine now ;) |
| 18:42.06 | MarcTannousUnix | trying to cmake the source code for brl-cad now |
| 18:42.28 | MarcTannousUnix | :( now I understand why people consider windows users noobs |
| 18:46.10 | MarcTannousUnix | "-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!" my experience with linux in a nutshell |
| 18:48.53 | starseeker | MarcTannousUnix: did you check the README.Linux file? |
| 18:49.10 | starseeker | if so, which version of CMake did you install? |
| 18:49.13 | starseeker | cmake --version |
| 18:49.24 | MarcTannousUnix | starseeker: reading through it while installing stuff, I finally configured brl-cad succesfully |
| 18:49.32 | MarcTannousUnix | cmake version 2.8.9 |
| 18:49.38 | starseeker | urk |
| 18:49.42 | starseeker | that's quite old |
| 18:49.47 | MarcTannousUnix | at least it works |
| 18:50.08 | MarcTannousUnix | just ran sudo make install, time to pray |
| 18:50.19 | starseeker | you may need to change $<CONFIG> to $<CONFIGURATION> around line 507 in the toplevel CMakeLists.txt |
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| 18:50.35 | starseeker | I've been trying to commit a fix but sourceforge keeps giving me errors |
| 18:50.57 | MarcTannousUnix | I am doing all these because simian was taking too much to run on a VM |
| 18:51.03 | MarcTannousUnix | :( |
| 18:51.10 | starseeker | MarcTannousUnix: are you working with the subversion checkout? |
| 18:51.14 | MarcTannousUnix | yup :D |
| 18:51.26 | starseeker | OK, you'll need to make that change then |
| 18:51.27 | MarcTannousUnix | that's one thing I managed to install by myself and actualyl make it work |
| 18:51.30 | MarcTannousUnix | oh god |
| 18:51.40 | MarcTannousUnix | I suppose I'll have to do it after make install finishes right? |
| 18:51.48 | starseeker | blinks |
| 18:51.58 | starseeker | you didn't get errors during configuration? |
| 18:52.04 | MarcTannousUnix | I did but I made it work |
| 18:52.08 | starseeker | winces |
| 18:52.13 | starseeker | OK, but be careful with that |
| 18:52.23 | MarcTannousUnix | is that a blink for yes and two blinks for no? |
| 18:52.32 | starseeker | heh |
| 18:52.56 | starseeker | the main thing you'll have to watch out for is if you make changes to make things work, and then someone commits a fix, you'll get a conflict |
| 18:53.08 | starseeker | are you familiar with how to resolve subversion conflicts? |
| 18:53.24 | MarcTannousUnix | I'd love to be able to say yes, but unfortunately no :( |
| 18:53.52 | MarcTannousUnix | but I can read about it |
| 18:54.05 | starseeker | OK, http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ is probably were you want to start |
| 18:55.03 | MarcTannousUnix | if simian takes ages to work outside of the VM too I'll be so angry |
| 18:55.32 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: any idea where I can find reasonably-sized valid brep models and also high-facet-count nurbs? |
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| 18:56.31 | andromeda-galaxy | MarcTannousUnix: I haven't used it in a while, but if I remember correctly, simian is always somewhat slow --- it's scanning a pretty big codebase --- but should be much better outside of a single-core execution-capped virtualized vm :-) |
| 18:57.06 | MarcTannousUnix | andromeda-galaxy: did you not use simian in code duplication removal tasks |
| 18:57.06 | MarcTannousUnix | ? |
| 18:58.13 | andromeda-galaxy | I haven't done any of those this year... |
| 18:58.19 | MarcTannousUnix | ow |
| 18:58.43 | andromeda-galaxy | (well, I guess there's the bu_scan_fastf_t stuff, but that was just a pattern I noticed happening) |
| 18:58.47 | andromeda-galaxy | I did use it some last year... |
| 19:01.57 | MarcTannousUnix | anyone has any idea regarding #error "Need a stringstream (sstream or strstream) to compile!" |
| 19:02.14 | andromeda-galaxy | nope... |
| 19:02.46 | MarcTannousUnix | starseeker: any idea? |
| 19:05.42 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: also, what's the recommended way to show subcommands in the Docbook documentation? I'm finding a different way in every file I check that does it... |
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| 19:13.24 | MarcTannousUnix | starseeker: what were you saying about changing the cmakefiles ? maybe that's what causing my issue |
| 19:14.35 | MarcTannousUnix | oh, lline 506 |
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| 19:34.24 | MarcTannousUnix | damn |
| 19:34.39 | MarcTannousUnix | still not working |
| 19:34.44 | MarcTannousUnix | any mentor around? ch3ck/chick_? |
| 19:39.51 | andromeda-galaxy | MarcTannousUnix: try grepping for the error message and find out what check is making it... |
| 19:56.44 | MarcTannousUnix | wow |
| 19:56.51 | MarcTannousUnix | simian executed in 3 seconds |
| 19:57.01 | MarcTannousUnix | on my VM it stopped after 2 hours and was no way near completion |
| 20:00.08 | Ch3ck | MarcTannousUnix: i'm here |
| 20:00.26 | Ch3ck | i'm not chick_ MarcTannousUnix |
| 20:01.02 | Ch3ck | he's my friend and a programmer too in the community |
| 20:01.29 | MarcTannousUnix | ch3ck: how should I go about removing duplicate code? |
| 20:02.02 | MarcTannousUnix | adding the code to a shared library? |
| 20:03.22 | Ch3ck | well removing duplicate code is about looking for similarities and any functionality and seeing if you could abstract them to a simpler way |
| 20:03.50 | MarcTannousUnix | what if it is literally 120 lines of copy pasted code? |
| 20:04.01 | MarcTannousUnix | shared between 2 files |
| 20:04.21 | Ch3ck | if the code can do with lesser number of lines the better |
| 20:04.30 | Ch3ck | *without breaking functionality* |
| 20:05.06 | MarcTannousUnix | would adding the code to a shared library between the two files and removing it locally work? |
| 20:05.10 | MarcTannousUnix | 120<120*2 |
| 20:06.17 | Ch3ck | yeah, it would be much better so long as it maintains consistency and cleanliness in the code |
| 20:06.42 | MarcTannousUnix | will you be here in ¬30 minutes to check if what I've done is correct? |
| 20:06.57 | Ch3ck | it's not just about running some regexp scripts on the code base and finding matchingpattens and abstracting if you know what i mean ;0 |
| 20:07.15 | MarcTannousUnix | yes, the code should be optimally written and clean |
| 20:07.18 | Ch3ck | i have an hour at most here. its late |
| 20:07.33 | MarcTannousUnix | that's why I said 30 minutes instead of the 30 seconds it would take me to copy paste it intoa library |
| 20:07.48 | Ch3ck | 's time is 9pm WAT |
| 20:07.55 | MarcTannousUnix | 10P |
| 20:07.57 | MarcTannousUnix | 10PM here |
| 20:08.07 | MarcTannousUnix | have been working on getting this done since 4PM |
| 20:08.24 | MarcTannousUnix | it took me about 6 hours to figure out I need UNIX and making everything work |
| 20:08.24 | Ch3ck | aight , admire your dedication. so i'm here |
| 20:08.30 | MarcTannousUnix | what a productive day this was |
| 20:09.29 | Ch3ck | MarcTannousUnix: just keep up you'll get used to unix and it'll be for the better ;) |
| 20:10.33 | andromeda-galaxy | Ch3ck: sorry to interrupt, but just a quick question --- according to the docbook documentation online, cmdsynopsis elements can be children of <term>, but xmllint complains... is xmllint using a really outdated schema? |
| 20:12.34 | Ch3ck | andromeda-galaxy: i'm not very familiarwith docbook, i think that's starseeker 's area ;) |
| 20:13.11 | andromeda-galaxy | Ch3ck: okay, thanks... |
| 20:13.15 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: are you still around? |
| 20:17.04 | andromeda-galaxy | Ch3ck, starseeker: okay, got it --- I was looking at v4.0, and v5.0 removed a whole bunch of useful content model stuff |
| 20:17.22 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: any idea how to work around that? |
| 20:19.17 | winghouchan | Heyo! Are any mentors tasked to deal with website related queries? |
| 20:21.57 | MarcTannousUnix | guys |
| 20:22.20 | MarcTannousUnix | if I reduce ¬460 lines of code to 200 is it okay for one of these tasks? |
| 20:26.16 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: back - let me read scrollback |
| 20:27.36 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: for brep models, you might try here: http://www.steptools.com/support/stdev_docs/stpfiles/ap203/ |
| 20:27.49 | starseeker | step-g can bring in at least some of those |
| 20:29.11 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: I don't know that we've established a convention for DocBook subcommands |
| 20:29.56 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: if there's a "right" way that we aren't uniformly using feel free to suggest it or even apply it :-) |
| 20:30.46 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: erm. not offhand (work-around) |
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| 20:31.27 | starseeker | DocBook is not all that well documented in a lot of ways - generally we just try to find some approach that will work |
| 20:31.27 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: okay... I did find some brep models with csgbrep, but thanks... |
| 20:31.40 | starseeker | ah, yeah csgbrep is good |
| 20:31.43 | andromeda-galaxy | I really don't know what to do about the subcommand thing... |
| 20:31.51 | starseeker | there's a tool that will generate a cobb sphere as well |
| 20:31.54 | andromeda-galaxy | the problem is that with brep the subcommands have all their own arguments |
| 20:32.07 | starseeker | ah, point |
| 20:32.11 | andromeda-galaxy | so they *should* use cmdsynopsis for consistent formatting |
| 20:32.18 | andromeda-galaxy | (with the main command synopsis) |
| 20:32.22 | andromeda-galaxy | which was legal in docbook <5.0 |
| 20:32.33 | andromeda-galaxy | but in 5.0 they drastically reduced the content model for some reason... |
| 20:33.01 | starseeker | usually the first thing I do with docbook is to try to see if there's some container I can use to wrap things like that |
| 20:33.06 | andromeda-galaxy | ahh.. |
| 20:33.09 | starseeker | what can a cmdsynopsis go in? |
| 20:33.13 | andromeda-galaxy | I was trying to use the variablelist |
| 20:33.15 | andromeda-galaxy | approach for each command |
| 20:33.22 | andromeda-galaxy | with the cmdsynopsis in a <term>, which isn't allowed anaymore |
| 20:33.57 | andromeda-galaxy | acknowledgements, annotation, answer, appendix, article, bibliodiv, bibliography, bibliolist, blockquote, callout, calloutlist, caption, caution, chapter, colophon, constraintdef, cover, dedication, entry, example, figure, footnote, glossary, glossdef, glossdiv, glosslist, important, index, indexdiv, informalexample, informalfigure, itemizedlist, legalnotice, listitem, msgexplan, msgtext, note, orderedlist, para, p |
| 20:34.05 | andromeda-galaxy | according to http://zvon.org/comp/r/ref-Docbook_5.html#Elements~cmdsynopsis |
| 20:34.20 | starseeker | this is where I usually end up digging: http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/docbook.html |
| 20:35.03 | andromeda-galaxy | ahh... I've been looking for something like that, thanks |
| 20:35.04 | andromeda-galaxy | ! |
| 20:35.46 | starseeker | so we could see (for example) if a variablelist could hold more than one cmdsynopsis |
| 20:36.00 | starseeker | or if we can use multiple variablelists and cmdsynopsis inside something else |
| 20:36.28 | andromeda-galaxy | hmm... |
| 20:36.42 | andromeda-galaxy | we could try putting the command name in the <term> for the <varlistentry> |
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| 20:36.53 | andromeda-galaxy | and the <cmdsynopsis> inside the <listitem>... |
| 20:36.58 | starseeker | nods - it usually takes some experimenting |
| 20:37.03 | andromeda-galaxy | I don't know how that would look.... I'll try it out... |
| 20:37.22 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:38.29 | MarcTannousUnix | Ch3ck: I submitted |
| 20:38.40 | andromeda-galaxy | I just had an idea... another problem with brep is that e.g. "info" is a separate command from "info C [index]"... |
| 20:40.12 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: what do you think of having a varlist |
| 20:40.19 | andromeda-galaxy | where each main subcommand (item, plot, etc) is an entry |
| 20:40.28 | andromeda-galaxy | and then in each entry |
| 20:40.39 | andromeda-galaxy | there are cmdsynopsis items for each of the possible forms of the command, each with their own description |
| 20:40.43 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: that might work |
| 20:40.49 | andromeda-galaxy | (info, info C, info L, ...) |
| 20:41.10 | starseeker | I'd suggest trying to see if it can be done with valid docbook, and if so how it looks in man and html form |
| 20:41.21 | starseeker | also, for that scenario, I'd suggest lots of examples |
| 20:41.36 | andromeda-galaxy | I think it can be done in docbook... I already have it workgin for two info commands... |
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| 20:41.56 | andromeda-galaxy | I'll have to check about the html otuput though, so far I've only been checking man (it's in docs/docbook/.../mann/) |
| 20:42.02 | starseeker | for the plot commands you won't be able to show the graphical output, but it's still worthwhile to describe what they should see... |
| 20:43.18 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: indeed... I'll build up a few more examples than are currently there |
| 20:43.20 | andromeda-galaxy | and fix the formatting |
| 20:43.35 | andromeda-galaxy | ideally, the para describing each subcommand form would come underneath and indented, I think... |
| 20:44.40 | starseeker | nods - if it's really worth it we could try to come up with custom xslt (I believe there are some examples) but I'm not too much help there - those were done by someone much more knowledgable than myself in DocBook |
| 20:45.05 | andromeda-galaxy | yeah... I think that this should work, though it'll have the appearance of almost a two-level list.... |
| 20:45.29 | starseeker | if Tom Browder is still active on the list he might have some suggestions |
| 20:45.44 | starseeker | he's the one who did most of the heavy lifting for our current system |
| 20:46.17 | starseeker | but I'd give it a whirl and see |
| 20:46.34 | starseeker | it's a very complex command as such things go |
| 20:47.22 | starseeker | if it gets too grim we could try something like how svn handles it - their toplevel man page is just a pointer to subcommand man pages |
| 20:47.31 | andromeda-galaxy | okay, I'll try it out this way for now.... after another ~2hrs, I'll submit it... should be better than what's there now, at least... |
| 20:47.38 | starseeker | agreed |
| 20:47.55 | andromeda-galaxy | The description for each subcommand probably doesn't need to be too detailed, at least... |
| 20:48.06 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: oh, by the way, are you good on tasks? |
| 20:48.44 | andromeda-galaxy | ? |
| 20:48.56 | andromeda-galaxy | I'm running out of ones that I want to do that are currently up on Melange... |
| 20:49.01 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:49.14 | starseeker | you decided not to go back to the Fortran->C stuff? |
| 20:49.25 | andromeda-galaxy | well, I'm still waiting |
| 20:49.28 | andromeda-galaxy | for the next task push |
| 20:49.35 | andromeda-galaxy | that'll contain thte one for doing the namelist parsing |
| 20:49.41 | starseeker | hmm. OK |
| 20:49.53 | andromeda-galaxy | last time I tried to do a bunch of tasks that weren't up yet it didn't work too well... I got way too many piled up |
| 20:50.12 | starseeker | oh? You weren't able to submit them? |
| 20:50.22 | starseeker | doesn't sound right... |
| 20:51.12 | andromeda-galaxy | well, I couldn't submit them until they were up |
| 20:51.17 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: if you need tasks set up for thing's you've got queued let us know |
| 20:51.31 | andromeda-galaxy | and what happened last time was |
| 20:51.43 | andromeda-galaxy | that the mentors tended to review stuff in the middle of the night my time |
| 20:52.21 | andromeda-galaxy | do you have any idea when the next big task push is coming out? I'm looking forward to that, it sounds like it'll have a bunch of tasks I'm interested in... |
| 20:52.39 | starseeker | thought it had already happened... I'll have to check with brlcad |
| 20:53.28 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: thanks! |
| 20:53.36 | starseeker | aaaah, nuts. sourceforge is doing some migrations |
| 20:53.51 | starseeker | well, good that they're doing them, bad for getting fixes committed |
| 20:53.55 | andromeda-galaxy | oh well... that (probably) explains why it was down for me a couple of days ago too.... |
| 20:54.27 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: fyi, if you have a Windows compilation environment available those Windows unit test failures are fair game |
| 20:55.24 | andromeda-galaxy | unfortunately, I don't have any windows vms running right now... |
| 20:55.38 | andromeda-galaxy | (I still have to migrate some of them between computers...) |
| 20:55.52 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:56.20 | starseeker | is franky surprised not to see more failures on Windows |
| 20:57.12 | andromeda-galaxy | indeed... |
| 20:57.25 | starseeker | case 7 in 179 may not be set up right for Windows - not sure |
| 20:57.40 | andromeda-galaxy | do you have any idea how to make docbook indent the <para> that describes each subcommand? |
| 20:57.46 | starseeker | 226, 227 and 239 are the interesting ones |
| 20:57.58 | starseeker | erm |
| 20:58.11 | starseeker | not offhand - Docbook doesn't expose explicit formatting like that |
| 20:58.19 | andromeda-galaxy | I assumed so... |
| 20:58.21 | starseeker | it's just structure - formatting is where the stylesheets come in |
| 20:58.37 | andromeda-galaxy | I suppose I should have asked |
| 20:58.45 | andromeda-galaxy | any idea what structure would be appropriate |
| 20:58.56 | starseeker | checks |
| 20:59.00 | andromeda-galaxy | to distinguish the <cmdsynopsis/><para/><cmdsynopsis/><para/> ... |
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| 20:59.23 | andromeda-galaxy | and keep the para elements separate from the cmdsynopsis elements? |
| 20:59.24 | andromeda-galaxy | thanks! |
| 21:00.24 | starseeker | perhaps a list within the subcommand list entry? |
| 21:00.41 | andromeda-galaxy | might work.. |
| 21:00.58 | andromeda-galaxy | the problem is that the paras are descriptions for the cmdsynopsis |
| 21:01.05 | andromeda-galaxy | which is exactly what variablelist is for |
| 21:01.14 | starseeker | <item><sublist><subitem1><cmdsynopsis></cmdsynopsis></subitem1><subitem2>para etc... |
| 21:01.31 | andromeda-galaxy | but they decided to make it so that commandlists can't go in terms.. |
| 21:01.50 | andromeda-galaxy | because semantically that structure puts each entry ata the same ``level'', right? |
| 21:02.10 | starseeker | let me see if bot has been update - if not I'll do some tests there |
| 21:02.24 | starseeker | added a chull option, so I should document it, and the situation is a bit similar |
| 21:02.27 | Ch3ck | doesn't know how to join the 3 |
| 21:02.46 | Ch3ck | #brlcad-gcimentors channel |
| 21:02.56 | starseeker | check with maths22 |
| 21:03.03 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: thanks! |
| 21:03.15 | andromeda-galaxy | I'll try to experiment some as well... |
| 21:03.28 | starseeker | hmm. no bot man page |
| 21:03.54 | starseeker | anyone know if that is or has been an item of interest for a GCIer? |
| 21:07.22 | andromeda-galaxy | not sure... |
| 21:07.48 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: I wonder why they decided to remove the ability to put cmdsynopsis in term... that would be really handy here |
| 21:08.02 | starseeker | not sure |
| 21:08.45 | andromeda-galaxy | oh well... |
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| 21:17.33 | andromeda-galaxy | I don't know if it's entirely semantically |
| 21:17.41 | andromeda-galaxy | correct, but it passes validation |
| 21:17.43 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: what about: |
| 21:18.18 | andromeda-galaxy | <variablelist><cmdsynopsis>...</cmdsynopsis><varlistentry><term></term><para>...</para></varlistentry>...</variablelist> |
| 21:18.21 | andromeda-galaxy | ? |
| 21:19.41 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: I'm not caught up yet :-) |
| 21:19.44 | starseeker | does that look good? |
| 21:19.45 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: ahh... |
| 21:19.48 | andromeda-galaxy | well, it did |
| 21:19.58 | andromeda-galaxy | until I found out that it won't let you mix cmdsynopsis and varlistentry |
| 21:20.02 | andromeda-galaxy | so it would have to be more like |
| 21:20.44 | andromeda-galaxy | <variablelist><cmdsynopsis>...</cmdsynopsis><varlistentry><term></term><para>...</para></varlistentry></variablelist><variablelist><cmdsynopsis>...</cmdsynopsis><varlistentry><term></term><para>...</para></varlistentry></variablelist>... |
| 21:21.00 | andromeda-galaxy | all inside the <para> of a <varlistentry> in the subcommand main <variablelist> of course |
| 21:21.36 | andromeda-galaxy | oh sorry, wrap each <para> in a <listitem>... |
| 21:21.42 | andromeda-galaxy | but anyway, I'm running it now to see what it looks lik |
| 21:22.21 | andromeda-galaxy | it's a little verbose, but looks passable to me... |
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| 21:23.58 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:24.21 | starseeker | that's probably where I would have migrated to in another 10 revisions or so |
| 21:24.35 | starseeker | OK in html and man? |
| 21:24.43 | Ch3ck | retires |
| 21:26.04 | andromeda-galaxy | seems ok |
| 21:26.14 | andromeda-galaxy | the output is a little verbose, but not too bad |
| 21:27.07 | andromeda-galaxy | for the descriptions, I'm starting off of the help output from 'brep', I'll try to add a little more to them as well... also, to do some more examples... |
| 21:27.34 | starseeker | nice |
| 21:27.46 | andromeda-galaxy | thanks :-) |
| 21:34.19 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: sorry, what exactly does brep plot do? |
| 21:35.05 | starseeker | it allows you to draw wireframes of the underlying structures of a brep |
| 21:35.21 | starseeker | so you can see (for example) what an untrimmed surface looks like |
| 21:35.38 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: do you have the proc-db for the cobb sphere? |
| 21:35.43 | andromeda-galaxy | not sure... |
| 21:35.51 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: that makes sense for the individual commands |
| 21:36.05 | andromeda-galaxy | but whatabout "plot"? description is just "plots entire brep", but it doesn't seem to do anything to mged |
| 21:36.20 | starseeker | I believe it iterates over all faces in the brep and plots all of them |
| 21:36.51 | starseeker | ah, there it is |
| 21:36.59 | starseeker | run ./src/proc-db/brep_cobb |
| 21:37.03 | starseeker | (from the build directory) |
| 21:37.10 | andromeda-galaxy | hmm... |
| 21:37.14 | starseeker | you should get a file brep_cobb.g |
| 21:38.15 | starseeker | actually, brep <objname> plot with no args whatsoever prints the help message |
| 21:38.26 | starseeker | brep <objname> plot - plots everything |
| 21:38.40 | andromeda-galaxy | that's what was confusing me |
| 21:38.50 | starseeker | or it's supposed to anyway... |
| 21:38.51 | andromeda-galaxy | it prints the help message, but the help messagae says that it plots everything |
| 21:39.03 | starseeker | there's a dash after plot |
| 21:39.08 | starseeker | (for the plot everything option) |
| 21:39.25 | starseeker | no, that's not it either |
| 21:39.26 | starseeker | hmm |
| 21:39.32 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: might actually be a bug |
| 21:39.49 | andromeda-galaxy | hmm |
| 21:39.53 | andromeda-galaxy | mgiht be |
| 21:40.03 | andromeda-galaxy | I'll put what it says should happen in the man page for now... |
| 21:41.01 | starseeker | ah - the help statement might be poorly structured |
| 21:41.17 | starseeker | if you do brep cobb.s plot F you'll get all the faces |
| 21:41.27 | starseeker | and likewise, brep cobb.s plot S you get all the surfaces |
| 21:41.50 | starseeker | you *can* add one or a range of indices to restrict what is drawn, but you don't have to |
| 21:42.24 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: that's probably what it's trying to convey - should be plot [type] rather than *just* plot |
| 21:42.32 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: does that work for you? |
| 21:44.04 | andromeda-galaxy | hmmm |
| 21:44.07 | andromeda-galaxy | maybe... |
| 21:44.26 | andromeda-galaxy | I though that that was just indicated by the brackets around [index], [index-index]... |
| 21:45.05 | starseeker | I can see where a user would think their options were either one index or a range |
| 21:45.15 | starseeker | I thought that myself until I did some experimenting |
| 21:46.06 | starseeker | it does make sense that plot would report the help message with no further input |
| 21:46.40 | andromeda-galaxy | I thought that it was supposed to do both based on the index command |
| 21:46.43 | andromeda-galaxy | *info |
| 21:47.01 | andromeda-galaxy | "brep <obj> info" prints general info *and* the help message |
| 21:47.37 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: arguably it should, but sometimes plotting is expensive |
| 21:47.49 | andromeda-galaxy | (also, I'm using <arg choice="opt"><replaceable>index</replaceable><arg choice="opt">-<replaceable>index</replaceable></arg></arg> for the ranges, which renders as [index [-index]], is that alright? |
| 21:47.53 | andromeda-galaxy | ) |
| 21:47.56 | andromeda-galaxy | ahh.. makes sense |
| 21:47.58 | starseeker | I suspect the theory is you don't want guaranteed worst case performance on the help option |
| 21:48.31 | andromeda-galaxy | I'll leave the empty case out of the manual valid cases section, and maybe show an example that "plot" just prints help |
| 21:48.33 | starseeker | brep <obj> info * would probably be my preferred way to specify all info, but we can deal with that later |
| 21:48.48 | starseeker | nods - sounds good |
| 21:49.29 | andromeda-galaxy | for the index ranges, the only problem is that it insists on rendering as '[index [-index]]' not '[index[-index]]', do you think that the space is a problem? |
| 21:50.26 | starseeker | hmm - what about specifying <arg>index></arg><arg>index-index</arg> in a group that is optional? |
| 21:51.02 | andromeda-galaxy | hmmm |
| 21:51.15 | andromeda-galaxy | that would render more like [index|index-index] right? that might work |
| 21:51.25 | starseeker | yeah, that's the idea |
| 21:51.51 | starseeker | may need the choice="plain" option on the individual args |
| 21:51.56 | starseeker | otherwise it gets bracket happy |
| 21:52.24 | andromeda-galaxy | yeah, I think so... |
| 21:52.41 | andromeda-galaxy | is wrapping the user-supplied parts of it in <replaceable> good style? that's what I've been doing so far... |
| 21:52.44 | starseeker | someday we should add a comma separated list as an option to those index specifiers, to be able to pick out a subset... |
| 21:53.09 | starseeker | I think that's OK |
| 21:54.23 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: I've got to stick my head back in C++ land for a while, but it sounds like you've got it well in hand - nice work! |
| 21:55.06 | starseeker | you may find the cobb sphere a good candidate for printed info options |
| 21:56.01 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: sounds good, thanks for all thehelp! :-) |
| 21:57.10 | starseeker | it has the nice property that if people plot individual faces, surfaces, loops, etc. none of them are degenerate - should be easy to see |
| 21:57.40 | andromeda-galaxy | ahh... right |
| 21:57.42 | andromeda-galaxy | makes sense |
| 21:58.02 | starseeker | default sphere loop plotting isn't very exciting and can be confusing |
| 21:58.18 | andromeda-galaxy | right... |
| 21:58.49 | andromeda-galaxy | now all thats really left to figure out about the command is translate and intersect.. |
| 22:01.42 | starseeker | translate is (if I remember correctly) a very low level "manipulate a control vertex" command |
| 22:01.49 | andromeda-galaxy | hmm... |
| 22:01.50 | starseeker | intersect is used for debugging boolean intersections |
| 22:01.52 | andromeda-galaxy | seems about right |
| 22:01.55 | andromeda-galaxy | ahh |
| 22:02.24 | andromeda-galaxy | the code seems to have provision for some "selection" command.... but then again, it only ever seem sto consider translate as part of that command, so no idea what it's doing there... |
| 22:03.09 | starseeker | I think selection is used by Archer |
| 22:03.25 | starseeker | n_reed is the guy to ask about that one |
| 22:04.23 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: for an intersection example, you can do the following (starting from cobb.g): cp cobb.s cobb2.s; sed cobb2.s; tra 1 0 0; accept; brep cobb.s intersect cobb2.s 0 0 SS |
| 22:04.39 | andromeda-galaxy | okay, thanks! for now I'll stick with what's listed in the about output... |
| 22:04.42 | starseeker | that will plot the intersection of the two 0 surfaces of the two cobb spheres |
| 22:04.48 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:04.54 | andromeda-galaxy | ahh |
| 22:04.56 | andromeda-galaxy | makes sense |
| 22:04.57 | starseeker | just in case you wanted a practical example |
| 22:05.15 | andromeda-galaxy | thanks! I'll probably use something similar to that in the examples section... |
| 22:05.16 | starseeker | plots one surface red, the second blue and the curve in green |
| 22:05.31 | starseeker | yeah, that's for an example :-) |
| 22:07.27 | andromeda-galaxy | one last thing, for normal args, should I use "choice=req", leave it plain, or use choice=plain? |
| 22:08.12 | starseeker | req is if it's mandatory, so if the command won't function without a value there use req |
| 22:08.26 | andromeda-galaxy | okay |
| 22:08.30 | andromeda-galaxy | thanks! |
| 22:08.35 | starseeker | if it's optional just leave it plain, and if you need to avoid extra brackets (like the index situation) use plain |
| 22:08.36 | andromeda-galaxy | what is plain for then? |
| 22:08.38 | starseeker | np |
| 22:08.40 | andromeda-galaxy | ah |
| 22:08.57 | starseeker | probably will get used mostly inside groups |
| 22:09.11 | andromeda-galaxy | right... makes sense... |
| 22:09.28 | starseeker | andromeda-galaxy: missing latex yet? |
| 22:09.51 | starseeker | or I suppose pdflatex these days |
| 22:10.49 | andromeda-galaxy | yeah... |
| 22:11.05 | andromeda-galaxy | plain TeX is actually quite fun for some things |
| 22:11.38 | andromeda-galaxy | and I can't think of much to beat LaTeX for main documents, except for Emacs org-mode with LaTeX export, which is what I usually use |
| 22:11.45 | starseeker | the two great strengths DocBook has going for it are 1) html and mann page output without post-processing a dvi or pdf file 2) the tool chain is comparatively simple until you need pdf |
| 22:12.18 | starseeker | is wimpy and tends to use Lyx, and then hand tweak its export |
| 22:12.31 | andromeda-galaxy | ahh... interesting |
| 22:12.47 | andromeda-galaxy | org-mode is really great for latex export, all the document structure automatically gets converted to sectioning and everything |
| 22:13.11 | andromeda-galaxy | but you can still tweak it with LaTeX straight from the source document with #+begin_latex/#+end_latex |
| 22:13.14 | starseeker | someday I may get this running again: https://github.com/starseeker/texpp |
| 22:13.34 | starseeker | that would make it a lot more practical to handle TeX the way we're currently handling xml |
| 22:13.44 | starseeker | cool |
| 22:15.17 | starseeker | tried sorting out what it actually takes to build TeX the texlive way - it's.... scary. https://github.com/starseeker/ModTeX/blob/master/core/CMakeLists.txt |
| 22:15.28 | andromeda-galaxy | texpp looks interesting... |
| 22:16.00 | starseeker | if it's true what it claims, that it's got everything the core tex had/has, it may be a useful starting point |
| 22:16.08 | starseeker | reasonably liberal license too |
| 22:16.13 | andromeda-galaxy | if you do get it working again, I'd like to play around with it some.. |
| 22:16.18 | andromeda-galaxy | yeah, building tex is hard due to web |
| 22:16.30 | andromeda-galaxy | web is really cool in itself, but pretty much no toolchains have any decent support for it... |
| 22:16.42 | starseeker | it's not even web - it's that bizarre pascal->c special purpose translation |
| 22:17.12 | starseeker | actually successfully built the tex binary, but then I found out some of their *other* core stuff is in sh |
| 22:18.00 | starseeker | and the path management (which I know dates way back) just feels... weird. I agree with the texpp author about that |
| 22:18.25 | andromeda-galaxy | ah right... makes sense (about the pascal->c stuff) |
| 22:19.02 | andromeda-galaxy | the path management can be quite difficult, agreed |
| 22:19.06 | starseeker | granted mixing in web and tangle didn't improve matters, but the DocBook experience gave me enough knowledge of CMake macro foo to more or less deal with that |
| 22:19.24 | andromeda-galaxy | I also have some half-done tex-related projects... |
| 22:19.25 | andromeda-galaxy | ahh |
| 22:19.32 | andromeda-galaxy | (about the macros for tangle/weave) |
| 22:19.46 | andromeda-galaxy | what I always had trouble with with cweb was that very few distributions package it |
| 22:20.16 | andromeda-galaxy | I'm about halfway through trying to rewrite BibTeX in plain TeX (i.e. the TeX code does all the reading in the ref file, generating the ref numbers, &c) |
| 22:20.18 | starseeker | nods - yeah, it's basically either the kitchen sink (texlive) or roll your own |
| 22:20.25 | starseeker | cool |
| 22:21.12 | andromeda-galaxy | I was working in plain tex for paper once, and I was suddenly like "wait. why do I need to write TeX that glues my stuff in to an external C program that parses stuff, when TeX is a turing complete language?' |
| 22:21.23 | starseeker | hehe |
| 22:21.27 | andromeda-galaxy | I took a big break from working on it after that paper was done, I should get back to it sometime... |
| 22:21.55 | starseeker | is impressed and spooked ;-) |
| 22:22.12 | starseeker | next up - PostOS - the PostScript operating system! |
| 22:22.55 | andromeda-galaxy | hmmmm... it's probably *possible* if you could find a postscript compiler and some way to turn graphics manip into hardware operations... |
| 22:23.40 | starseeker | we'll let ``Erik try it after he gets done conqueroring the world with Lisp |
| 22:25.44 | andromeda-galaxy | good idea... |
| 22:26.37 | starseeker | then he can do one in Whitespace http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ |
| 22:27.27 | starseeker | for people who think the Obfuscated C contest is a warm up... |
| 22:29.13 | andromeda-galaxy | I've never hearda of whitespace... |
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| 22:29.26 | starseeker | believes he heard about it from ``Erik |
| 22:29.53 | andromeda-galaxy | interesting |
| 22:30.01 | andromeda-galaxy | it's fromthe same guy who wrote Idris?? |
| 22:32.23 | starseeker | not sure |
| 22:32.30 | andromeda-galaxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.33 | starseeker | has never delved deeply into it |
| 22:32.40 | andromeda-galaxy | lookslike it, both by Edwin Brady... |
| 22:32.45 | starseeker | heh |
| 22:33.08 | andromeda-galaxy | <command>plot</command><command>SCV</command> registers as plotSCV... |
| 22:33.17 | starseeker | hmm |
| 22:33.43 | andromeda-galaxy | <command>plot</command><arg>SCV</arg> works, but that makis it look like SCV isn't part of the command (i.e. is user-specified) which it isn't |
| 22:33.56 | andromeda-galaxy | <command>plot SCV</command might work thoguh |
| 22:34.17 | starseeker | yeah, I think that will do |
| 22:34.35 | starseeker | unless there's a reason to make them separate |
| 22:34.41 | andromeda-galaxy | I can't think of one right now... |
| 22:52.11 | andromeda-galaxy | what exactly do the different intersection type specifiers mean? i.e. is it correct to say that e.g. SS means intersect two surfaces and CS means intersect a curve and aa surface? |
| 22:53.37 | andromeda-galaxy | starseeker: if you haven't started working on C++ again yet... |
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