| 00:04.12 | brlcad | starseeker: STATIC_ARRAY cmake test must have failed |
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| 00:05.03 | brlcad | HAVE_STATIC_ARRAYS should be undefined, somehow defined |
| 00:06.13 | brlcad | misc/CMake/BRLCAD_CheckFunctions.cmake:macro(BRLCAD_CHECK_STATIC_ARRAYS) |
| 00:08.39 | brlcad | intentionally does not clear the flags so that we get strictness flags for the current compile mode |
| 00:13.19 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67750 brlcad/trunk/src/libged/draw.c: double-up the -S to imply drawing a 'simplified' wireframe instead of introducing a -M, which works for nmg-no-surfaces and no subtractions |
| 00:26.47 | brlcad | the draw -L option feels wrong as it does not generalize to all drawing |
| 00:27.48 | brlcad | maybe if we had some notion of a complexity metric, or if it applied to all objects that have more than X wireframe complexity or something |
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| 00:38.09 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67751 brlcad/trunk/NEWS: gang up -L with the previously undocumented -S option so we can consistently keep the capital letters implying negation (no subtractions) and represent a more generalized notion of drawing simplified wireframes. reword the -L option so that it can more generally apply to any object, though finding a good generalized metric may not be easy. |
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| 03:49.09 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67752 brlcad/trunk/src/util/pixdiff.c: convert macro to do/while so it requires a semicolon, and ws |
| 04:06.38 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67753 brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/file.c: don't leave loose ends, bu_same_fd() was using the same method as bu_same_file(), using stat to determine if two files are different. use a slight variation with _get_osfhandle() to test for it properly. |
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| 04:33.59 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67755 brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/file.c: more/final duplication reduction -- do the comparison and let us know the answer. |
| 04:44.30 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67756 brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/mann/draw.xml: update the docs to reflect changing draw -M to draw -S for simpler wireframes |
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| 13:23.47 | Barun | Hi :) The virtual machine is pretty cool |
| 13:33.59 | Barun | quick question thoughâ¦since it seems to be really far behind in terms of commits |
| 13:34.03 | Barun | wouldnât it be better to update it? |
| 13:34.26 | starseeker | Barun: it would, but I don't think the folks who put that together have had time to update it recently |
| 13:34.48 | starseeker | I think you can run svn update inside the vm... |
| 13:34.55 | Barun | Ifâ¦Iâm not wrong..its a simple matter of downloading the VM, performing the svn up, and then just uploading it again |
| 13:34.58 | Barun | Yeah of course you can.. |
| 13:35.23 | Barun | Justâ¦felt it would be cleaner :( |
| 13:35.25 | Barun | :)* |
| 13:35.29 | starseeker | Barun: i don't know if it's that simple or not - it may be, but I wasn't really involved with the creation of the image |
| 13:35.35 | starseeker | oh, it would definitely be cleaner |
| 13:35.59 | starseeker | we've got a release coming up RSN, and that would be a good time to also update the image |
| 13:36.31 | Barun | RSN? |
| 13:36.37 | starseeker | Real Soon Now |
| 13:36.40 | Barun | Ah |
| 13:36.50 | Barun | Just throwing out ideas. :) |
| 13:37.30 | starseeker | it's a good one, and you're welcome to talk to the folks who put together the original image and see what's involved if you'd like to update it :-) |
| 13:37.45 | starseeker | we'd probably want to update the OS as well as the svn commits if it's gotten that far out of date |
| 13:38.08 | Barun | Might be a good idea :) |
| 13:38.45 | starseeker | I was only vaguely aware of that work and it's been a while, but I think there's some discussions in the mailing list archives that could be a good starting point |
| 13:40.10 | Barun | Its running debian 7,2, and 8 has been out for a while, so thats definitly a possibility |
| 13:40.59 | Barun | Thanks, Iâll take a look :) |
| 13:41.18 | Barun | Its a great idea to VM the whole thing and its dependencies though! Its the first time Iâve seen something this awesome :D |
| 13:49.22 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 67758 brlcad/trunk/CHANGES: Original list of tools has been covered by new, more comprehensive listing (except png_info,which was moved into image tools.) |
| 13:50.10 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 67759 brlcad/trunk/CHANGES: terrain needs more investigation. |
| 13:52.43 | Barun | ~paste |
| 13:52.43 | infobot | somebody said paste was http://pastebin.org/ or http://bin.cakephp.org/ or http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 13:52.51 | Barun | ~pastebin |
| 13:52.51 | infobot | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 13:56.13 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 67760 (brlcad/trunk/CHANGES brlcad/trunk/src/util/CMakeLists.txt): dbcp was actually deprecated a long time back - go ahead and yank it. |
| 13:59.50 | Barun | Hmmâ¦the virtual machine definitely needs a bit of updating, I donât seem to be able to run configure currently on it, I need to update a few things as well as install a couple of additional dependencies |
| 14:02.48 | starseeker | brlcad: should/can we update our pastebin infobot entry so it doesn't mention pastebin.com? |
| 14:03.44 | starseeker | Barun: yeah, I'm not surprised - IIRC, the last time it got serious work was one of the GSoC or GCI pushes |
| 14:03.57 | Barun | ugg, okay.. |
| 14:04.13 | Barun | The thing is I canât svn up directly over my network |
| 14:04.18 | starseeker | ugh |
| 14:04.25 | starseeker | what about git? |
| 14:04.37 | Barun | git also drops out over big packages |
| 14:04.41 | Barun | how big is it? |
| 14:04.55 | Barun | A direct download over tcp/ip can be resumed, which is how I downloaded the VM over the last day and night |
| 14:05.11 | starseeker | ah. yeah, a git conversion of our svn repo is quite large |
| 14:06.25 | starseeker | Barun: what about generating a snapshot tarball from here: https://sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/code/HEAD/tarball |
| 14:07.08 | starseeker | Barun: you should be able to resume an svn checkout |
| 14:07.17 | Barun | Is that so? |
| 14:07.22 | Barun | You canât resume a git one |
| 14:07.23 | starseeker | even if the initial checkout fails, cd into the directory it created and run svn up |
| 14:07.32 | Barun | Haha, awesome! |
| 14:07.34 | Barun | I did not know that :) |
| 14:07.35 | starseeker | has had to do that once or twice - I think it can work |
| 14:07.43 | starseeker | yeah, git's a bit different |
| 14:07.53 | starseeker | tests that quick |
| 14:08.43 | starseeker | yeah, seems to work |
| 14:09.00 | Barun | Thanks! Iâll do that |
| 14:09.03 | Barun | how big is the whole repo? |
| 14:09.33 | starseeker | a full svn checkout of trunk is... let's see... |
| 14:09.53 | starseeker | looks like a bit over 750 megs |
| 14:10.06 | Barun | and after the build? |
| 14:10.12 | Barun | 750 megs is manageable |
| 14:10.40 | starseeker | depends on what you build (don't run a distcheck build if space is tight) |
| 14:10.52 | Barun | Iâm on a 120 GB ssd :( |
| 14:10.53 | starseeker | for a straight up build... let me try that once... |
| 14:11.09 | starseeker | if it's not too full that should be OK |
| 14:11.18 | Barun | It has about 30-40 GB free |
| 14:11.43 | starseeker | with everything built it's a couple gigs |
| 14:12.08 | Barun | ah, awesome |
| 14:12.09 | starseeker | wouldn't expect it to be an issue |
| 14:12.09 | Barun | Iâm good |
| 14:12.14 | Barun | Thanks so much for all the help :) |
| 14:12.28 | starseeker | np |
| 14:13.04 | starseeker | that total may get a bit larger if you enable things like OpenSceneGraph and Qt support, but even then you should be fine |
| 14:13.26 | starseeker | but I wouldn't do a distcheck full :-) |
| 14:14.24 | starseeker | Barun: if you need to tighten up on space, you can disable Docbook building with -DBRLCAD_EXTRADOCS=OFF |
| 14:14.51 | Barun | Iâll keep that in mind! |
| 14:15.14 | Barun | one question |
| 14:15.26 | Barun | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Compiling <â when was this last updated? |
| 14:16.01 | starseeker | September 2014 according to the history |
| 14:16.19 | starseeker | package names getting out of date? |
| 14:17.14 | Barun | Iâ¦actually donât have a linux system, so I wouldnât know :P |
| 14:17.23 | starseeker | heh |
| 14:17.27 | Barun | I was just wondering that maybe we should remove the virtual machine reference for now |
| 14:17.45 | Barun | from there, and http://brlcad.org/wiki/Deuces |
| 14:18.00 | starseeker | shrugs - now that there's interest again, it may prod folks into updating it |
| 14:18.20 | starseeker | or even better, someone might figure out a way to automate the process of making the VM (if that's practical) |
| 14:18.31 | Barun | Hurmâ¦thats an idea. |
| 14:20.48 | starseeker | dons his CMake armor and dives in to see what's happening with STATIC_ARRAY testing on BSD... |
| 14:20.59 | Barun | I wish you luck, noble knight |
| 14:21.10 | Barun | while I return to the realm of partial differential equations for my math exam tomorrow |
| 14:21.26 | starseeker | winces in sympathy - best of luck! |
| 14:21.35 | Barun | Iâm going to need it |
| 14:22.03 | starseeker | always had the vague feeling that PDEs weren't really designed with human brains in mind... |
| 14:32.11 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 67761 (brlcad/trunk/NEWS brlcad/trunk/src/libged/rcodes.c): per user request, let users know if the rcodes file didn't make any changes. |
| 14:38.12 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 67762 brlcad/trunk/CHANGES: Add notes in REMOVED that note the Tcl/Tk man pages and UtahRLE image tools are no longer installed by BRLL-CAD. |
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| 15:46.47 | Barun | ~pastebin |
| 15:46.47 | infobot | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 15:47.34 | Barun | I get this error while compiling : http://pastebin.ca/3583940 |
| 15:49.05 | Barun | Iâll disable the docbooks and try again |
| 16:24.31 | Barun | brlcad : I canât compile with docbooks, but it works fine without. |
| 16:30.48 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67763 brlcad/trunk/include/bu/hash.h: ws |
| 16:38.10 | Barun | how do I run brlcad after compiling? |
| 16:38.19 | Barun | ./mged seems to open a text editor |
| 16:38.24 | Barun | a text interface* |
| 16:38.32 | Barun | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Compiling<â this mentions archer, which doesnât seem to exist |
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| 17:15.48 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 67764 brlcad/trunk/misc/CMake/BRLCAD_CheckFunctions.cmake: With clang 3.4.1 on *BSD, we need to make sure we have both the -pedantic and -std=gnu89 flags in addition to the Werror flag defined for the test (pedantic is what triggers the -Wc99-extensions flag). We evidently weren't getting the pedantic flag in the compile test, but do get it in the main build. |
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| 17:21.45 | starseeker | Barun: sounds like you built without graphics enabled? |
| 17:35.09 | Barun | Ah, not enabled by default? |
| 17:35.26 | Barun | Iâll recompile. |
| 17:35.31 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67765 brlcad/trunk/CHANGES: don't skip fbcmrot. it's a colormap tool too. |
| 17:35.36 | Barun | Which reminds me, why the issue with docbooks? |
| 17:36.07 | Barun | And what do I have to change to get graphics enabled? |
| 17:46.12 | Barun | Nevermind, Iâm guessing that the last question could be sovled by reading the install :) |
| 17:53.05 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67766 brlcad/trunk/doc/STRATEGY: did not address geometry visualization in the archer projects so make sure we capture that need as well in a smaller project of its own. |
| 17:57.21 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67767 brlcad/trunk/CHANGES: add fbanim on principle. animation is out the window. also, tried to use it and couldn't get it to actually talk to an fbserv as documented. |
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| 18:00.03 | Barun | its an opengl gui? |
| 18:30.28 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67768 brlcad/trunk/TODO: terrain dumps out a dsp datafile, so it's prime candidate for src/shapes. |
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| 21:02.57 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67770 brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/room.c: avoid using commas in names |
| 21:04.47 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67771 brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/CMakeLists.txt: looks like the room proc-db is really old, one of the first, and it looks like it has created combs with an Obj entry that do not exist the whole time. As it's not an interesting proc to mature, is serving no debug purpose, and has incurred a cost, kill it. |
| 21:21.10 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67772 brlcad/trunk/TODO: remove 59 commands that are getting scheduled for removal or refactoring (see CHANGES) |
| 21:24.15 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:n_reed * 67773 brlcad/branches/brep-debug/src/libged/brep.c: balance parens in dplot usage string |
| 21:28.40 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67774 brlcad/trunk/CHANGES: reviewed the list of undocumented commands and annotated those being scheduled for removal in here so we know which can be removed without warning. reviewing the list, researched dozens of additional commands and added many to the list for removal including the yuv image converters, texturescale, additional animation commands fbanim pixflip-fb chan_add, pixfields, |
| 21:28.42 | Notify | pixfieldsep, and NOT all of the plot3 tools (only those that overlap with the overlay command). and probably a few more I'm missing on visual review. |
| 21:28.44 | Notify | ... |
| 21:29.35 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67775 brlcad/trunk/CHANGES: indent with a tab consistently |
| 21:39.44 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67776 brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/CMakeLists.txt: do not install ANY of the proc-db utilities because they do not come with documentation. they just create an unhelpful aura of complexity and cryptic inconsistent usability. |
| 21:45.16 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67777 brlcad/trunk/TODO: take out proc-db tools now that they're not installed .. now it's a good list of things installed that needs to have a manual page written. 57 commands is still too many, though. |
| 21:50.48 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67778 brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/CMakeLists.txt: note that two of these actually do have manual pages |
| 22:08.11 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67779 brlcad/trunk/TODO: separating out the converters, external tools and shape tools, this starts to look like an increasingly manageable list. |
| 22:17.37 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67780 brlcad/trunk/CHANGES: rawbot listed twice |
| 22:20.02 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67781 (brlcad/trunk/TODO brlcad/trunk/src/sig/CMakeLists.txt): fhor is undocumented and a framebuffer tool. looking it up, the 'floating horizon' algorithm discussed in fundamentals of computer graphics describes it as a hidden line / plotting method. as dealing with visualization of signals is a topic in itself and this is quite undocumented, it can go now. |
| 22:24.30 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67782 brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/CMakeLists.txt: contours is a poor-mans surface point cloud / contour visualization, feeding points into the program an turning them into plot3 commands. there are better ways to do this now and with much richer geometry. |
| 22:31.05 | starseeker | Barun: that error looks like you have a stale build directory from an older svn revision (docbook) |
| 22:35.56 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67783 brlcad/trunk/src/util/CMakeLists.txt: don't see a practical reason for combining two dsp data files into one outside of debugging purposes or adding noise/features that are probably better dealt with in image compositing software (as a 16-bits per channel image). if we do need this functionality again in the future, it probably belongs with the dsp command and needs to be documented. |
| 22:40.22 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67784 brlcad/trunk/src/fb/CMakeLists.txt: remove fbgammamod. atrocious usability and exceptionally dubious general utility. there are also other tools that help with gamma corrections, albeit not as flexbily as this. |
| 22:41.19 | starseeker | prys cat off of keyboard |
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| 22:58.50 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67785 (brlcad/trunk/src/conv/euclid/euclid-g.c brlcad/trunk/src/conv/nmg/asc-nmg.c and 38 others): remove the various 'program continues running statements. while some that are preceeded by a usage statement may be confusing when the program doesn't exit, it's similarly redundant to tell them that the program is running when that is evident (by the program still running). maybe need to review |
| 22:58.52 | Notify | these to see why they're printing usage instead of a more helpful message. |
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| 23:01.06 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67786 brlcad/trunk/src/fb/fbcolor.c: this is better, tell the user what's going to happen when we know |
| 23:16.45 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67787 brlcad/trunk/src/libged/coil.c: more tricky case, but improve things while we're in here. wasn't actually using the user-specified object name, so make it do that. also was initializing a vls and doing nothing with it. |
| 23:17.14 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 67788 (brlcad/trunk/src/fb/cmap-fb.c brlcad/trunk/src/fb/fb-cmap.c and 2 others): more messages to more clearly let the user know what is going on. |
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