| 00:00.37 | ries | caen23: I think the brew howto is already kinda old⦠I am using boost from ports, but installed Qt from the download because I had issues with portâs verion of qt myself |
| 00:06.21 | ries | caen23: should we create a task âFix compiling LibreCAD with brewâ? |
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| 00:36.20 | caen23 | ries: i don't think there's anything to fix |
| 00:36.34 | caen23 | i can build everything just fine by running qmake and make |
| 00:37.19 | caen23 | i also updated the wiki on github with the steps to build using homebrew and the default llvm |
| 00:39.01 | caen23 | that's why i was asking thijs questions on that task, because i'm sure he's missing some very small detail |
| 00:40.22 | brlcad | starseeker: intentionally removed .sh from the benchmark long time ago, and there are extensive docs hiding the fact that it's a script (and intention is that it will not remain a script for much longer, I almost have all the pieces necessary converted) |
| 00:41.06 | brlcad | caen23: will publish the staged tasks here in a little bit |
| 00:41.08 | brlcad | thanks |
| 00:43.03 | caen23 | brlcad: great :D |
| 00:44.45 | caen23 | ries: oh, and regarding the first problem he encountered, where he was able to compile, but not run the app, the problem appears when using macqtdeploy, which bundles the qt stuff inside the .app. but i haven't really looked into why that breaks running the app, maybe that's a good task |
| 00:47.16 | brlcad | nihar: looking good, but remember that the categorization needs to lead to answering "what is next?" |
| 00:48.22 | caen23 | brlcad: speaking of homebrew, maybe we could have a task for creating a brlcad formula for homebrew? i see librecad is already installable via homebrew |
| 00:50.28 | brlcad | ries: caen23: regarding the compilation issues -- general suggestion if they run into a failure that is not their fault, to just have them report everything they did (transcript, logs, etc) and mark it closed, especially after it's clear they've spent more than 4 hours on the task |
| 00:50.43 | brlcad | caen23: sounds like a great task -- please write it up |
| 00:51.01 | caen23 | will do |
| 01:33.41 | starseeker | brlcad: OK... we can put it back, but right now it's confusing brlman :-( |
| 01:36.17 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 69250 brlcad/trunk/bench/CMakeLists.txt: preferred not to have sh on this file... need some other solution for brlman problem on Windows... |
| 01:40.14 | brlcad | starseeker: how so? |
| 01:41.11 | starseeker | brlman is set up so that if you give it a string that identifies a file on the filesystem it will attempt to read that rather than using the bu_brlcad_data path lookups |
| 01:41.14 | brlcad | manual pages (at least on linux) are independent of the binary |
| 01:41.58 | starseeker | because benchmark has no file extensions and on Windows brlman's cwd is the binary directory where the executable resides, it's picking up the sh script in the gui |
| 01:43.18 | starseeker | my other thought was to hide the "read a file I'm specifying" ability behind an option (say -f <filename> in order to specify a file) |
| 01:43.28 | starseeker | that's a bit of work but undoubtedly safer |
| 01:43.45 | starseeker | will take a stab at it tomorrow |
| 01:43.49 | brlcad | I presume this is the brlman.tcl script? |
| 01:44.07 | starseeker | nods, but I expect the command line version would have similar problems in a similar situation |
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| 01:45.10 | brlcad | another temp-solution would be to test for SH_EXEC and if NOT, don't run the configure_file |
| 01:45.59 | brlcad | but I think you're right -- an explicit option for reading specific files would be best |
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| 01:47.42 | brlcad | starseeker: so is that logic somewhere in ManBrowser? not seeing it in brlman.tcl |
| 01:47.55 | starseeker | yeah, it's in man_browser.tcl |
| 01:48.04 | starseeker | wonders if brlman.tcl is even used any more... |
| 01:48.18 | brlcad | brlman.bat uses it |
| 01:48.37 | starseeker | we still have brlman.bat? |
| 01:48.43 | brlcad | apparently |
| 01:48.43 | starseeker | thought he got rid of that |
| 01:49.41 | starseeker | oh, the C code uses brlman.tcl to fire things off |
| 01:49.56 | starseeker | doesn't see brlman.bat in trunk |
| 01:50.14 | brlcad | ah, maybe you did kill the .bat ... it's ironically installed into my bin dir (on mac) |
| 01:50.21 | brlcad | undoubtedly left over |
| 01:50.42 | brlcad | looks like mged.bat installs/installed too |
| 01:50.53 | starseeker | nods - yeah, those ended up in some installs just to avoid OS conditionals I think (another reason I wanted to get rid of the bat files) |
| 01:51.13 | starseeker | the only ones left in trunk now are in src/other |
| 01:51.15 | starseeker | tcl and tk |
| 01:51.26 | starseeker | and I don't think any of them are installed |
| 01:53.00 | brlcad | great! |
| 01:53.10 | brlcad | that only took like 15 years :) |
| 01:53.16 | starseeker | heh |
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| 03:58.30 | shadow21 | hello |
| 03:58.59 | shadow21 | who is the mentor for brl-cad buisness card logo designing |
| 03:59.15 | shadow21 | can i communicate wiht you in any other way |
| 03:59.19 | brlcad | shadow21: there are many/any -- what's your question? :) |
| 03:59.42 | brlcad | here is best for the fastest response |
| 03:59.56 | brlcad | but questions on the site work too |
| 04:00.12 | brlcad | especially if you mark the task as ready for review, it will get attention |
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| 04:05.59 | shadow21 | okay |
| 04:06.17 | shadow21 | well now i have done what i wanted to do |
| 04:06.33 | shadow21 | ill just be submitting the task in a while |
| 04:09.45 | brlcad | alright, everything going well? |
| 04:13.31 | nihar | B |
| 04:13.41 | brlcad | caen23: all the new tasks are published |
| 04:14.12 | brlcad | also created non-beginner versions of the compile and install tasks, since they can only do those as beginners |
| 04:14.16 | nihar | Can you give me the access? |
| 04:14.50 | brlcad | nihar: did you see my comment about "what is next?" |
| 04:15.29 | brlcad | it's not just a matter of giving you access -- it's setup too, that's the work |
| 04:15.43 | nihar | Yes, I understand that I need to review each task |
| 04:15.44 | brlcad | if it was just access, you would have it already |
| 04:16.18 | brlcad | nihar: no, I mean the categories should be towards a workflow, answering "what is next" |
| 04:17.22 | brlcad | i noticed you took those three code categories I mentioned and added them, but those won't necessarily be categories (maybe, maybe not, probably not) |
| 04:17.59 | nihar | Yes, I need to specify what next is to be done now |
| 04:19.03 | nihar | I didn't know that previously |
| 04:19.37 | nihar | I assumed you wanted to categorize what the task is about |
| 04:20.04 | brlcad | another way of thinking about it is like tagging the tasks as "needs_review", "needs_to_be_published_to_wiki", "needs_code_cleanup", etc... |
| 04:20.08 | brlcad | don't just use those, they're just examples! |
| 04:21.08 | brlcad | if you're wanting a black and white recipe, then this will not be a productive task .. have to figure out what categorization/groupings/taggins make the most sense, will help them get processed and integrated properly the most quickly |
| 04:21.26 | brlcad | doable, but it'll take some thinking and trial |
| 04:22.00 | nihar | No, i have got the idea now |
| 04:22.21 | brlcad | great |
| 04:22.25 | nihar | I can make my own categories too right? |
| 04:22.48 | brlcad | there are currently no categories other than "uncategorized" |
| 04:22.53 | brlcad | so YES, you will have to :) |
| 04:22.58 | nihar | okay cool |
| 04:23.10 | brlcad | that's the whole point -- figuring out what categories will actually be useful |
| 04:23.29 | nihar | so please help me with the setup |
| 04:23.29 | brlcad | for example, just grouping all of the documentation tasks together is not incredibly useful |
| 04:24.01 | nihar | ya we need to divide them further |
| 04:24.01 | brlcad | grouping all the wiki updates together, that might be useful |
| 04:24.37 | brlcad | help you with setup how? |
| 04:25.07 | nihar | like i have brlcad installed.. I also have access of the data |
| 04:25.59 | nihar | shall i need something else too? |
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| 04:26.41 | brlcad | at this point, not much else |
| 04:26.57 | brlcad | there's the task repo, but that's still read-only at the moment |
| 04:27.38 | nihar | okay.. i shall begin then |
| 04:27.48 | nihar | you can later review my categories |
| 04:27.58 | nihar | then we can create directories |
| 04:27.59 | brlcad | that sounds like a good start |
| 04:28.11 | nihar | and move files accordingly |
| 04:28.43 | nihar | thanks for help |
| 04:30.18 | brlcad | thank you |
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| 05:00.32 | amarjeet | Hi brlcad, There are two compile and install LibreCAD 2 tasks which I think have same description |
| 05:08.27 | brlcad | amarjeet: yes, one is marked beginner, one is not |
| 05:09.27 | brlcad | I can remove one |
| 05:10.11 | amarjeet | Does beginner mark create difference and what? |
| 05:12.16 | brlcad | beginner tasks are supposed to assume no experience |
| 05:13.18 | brlcad | done, fixed |
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| 11:55.27 | shadow21 | please have a view at my latest submission, i am deeply sorry for my previous attitude towards the task. |
| 12:03.41 | caen23 | shadow21: link to the task? |
| 12:11.04 | shadow21 | are you a mentor? |
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| 12:44.02 | caen23 | shadow21: yes, but i checked out your task, can't really help you, not my area |
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| 13:12.22 | shadow21 | then please tell the incharge of my task to give a review, i guess i've done some wrong actions which have resulted my mentor being a bit uhappy with the work i'm turning in. |
| 13:16.50 | amarjeet | Hey, could you tell the task about which you are talking about |
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| 13:27.10 | shadow21 | the task is to design a buisness card for brl-cad |
| 13:29.58 | amarjeet | I have checked and there is nothing like that a mentor will not review your task because he is unhappy or anything like that. They will definitely review it just be patient :) |
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| 14:04.10 | shadow21 | okay |
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| 15:02.25 | juskirat2000 | hello |
| 15:02.34 | juskirat2000 | is there any mentor ? |
| 15:03.29 | juskirat2000 | ?? |
| 15:05.30 | amarjeet | Hi |
| 15:05.46 | amarjeet | Just saw your design nice work |
| 15:06.39 | juskirat2000 | thank you sir |
| 15:07.18 | juskirat2000 | is it approved? |
| 15:07.52 | juskirat2000 | ? |
| 15:09.42 | amarjeet | No, I was just typing things that are missing like design in editable format and link to source you used and improvements that could be done. |
| 15:10.54 | juskirat2000 | i made it in png |
| 15:11.51 | juskirat2000 | link to source you use - i didn't get it |
| 15:13.04 | juskirat2000 | <amarjeet> could you please tell me so that i can improve. |
| 15:13.16 | amarjeet | Link to source means from where you took things like to template or images you used in that design |
| 15:14.11 | juskirat2000 | that also i have to mention within the comment ? |
| 15:14.39 | juskirat2000 | <amarjeet> and i made it in png |
| 15:14.45 | amarjeet | Yes, Its mentioned in task description |
| 15:15.38 | juskirat2000 | but its not there |
| 15:16.45 | juskirat2000 | <amarjeet> its not there in task description |
| 15:17.05 | amarjeet | Following is quoted from task description " Cite the source of any images you do use. If you have any doubts, just or keep it simple and fully design everything yourself." |
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| 15:18.16 | juskirat2000 | <amarjeet> but i did everything myself only |
| 15:20.13 | juskirat2000 | ? |
| 15:20.39 | amarjeet | Did you created the shirt on which you designed by yourself? |
| 15:21.01 | juskirat2000 | yes |
| 15:21.24 | juskirat2000 | no shirt i didn't design |
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| 15:22.09 | juskirat2000 | <amarjeet> no shirt i didn't design but rest all the things were design by me |
| 15:22.36 | amarjeet | So, you have to mention from where you took the shirt thats all |
| 15:23.01 | juskirat2000 | ok |
| 15:23.47 | juskirat2000 | <amarjeet> i have done it . you can check |
| 15:24.49 | amarjeet | I will check it in sometime and reveiw your task. |
| 15:25.25 | juskirat2000 | ok i am waiting ....... |
| 15:25.29 | juskirat2000 | thanks |
| 15:25.54 | shadow21 | my task still hasn't been reviewed. Its been uploaded since 2pm IST. |
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| 15:44.12 | shadow21 | helloo |
| 15:44.14 | shadow21 | anyone |
| 15:44.27 | shadow21 | a lot my time is being wasted |
| 15:45.38 | brlcad | shadow21: reviews are guaranteed once a day (within 36 hours technically) |
| 15:46.00 | brlcad | that's why it's very important to read and address all feedback from mentors when it's given, and to double-check your work |
| 15:46.13 | brlcad | at least, if you're trying to win, that's pretty much requisite |
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| 15:47.08 | brlcad | juskirat2000: you shouldn't assume anyone is a sir when talking online, and such formality is generally inappropriate/discouraged for open source |
| 15:47.56 | brlcad | amarjeet: for the previews, using a stock t-shirt template is okay -- it's their editable source files that should be original work |
| 15:48.08 | brlcad | i.e., the artwork that would get sent to a printer |
| 15:48.15 | brlcad | you don't send t-shirt templates to a printer ;) |
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| 15:51.02 | amarjeet | Okay, and Is PNG accepted as editable format |
| 15:51.32 | brlcad | only in very limited circumstances -- probably should remove it from the list |
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| 15:52.02 | brlcad | editable would be something like .psd, .ai |
| 15:52.08 | amarjeet | Yes, I also think it should be |
| 15:52.27 | brlcad | i think inkscape writes .svg by default, so that's another |
| 15:52.47 | brlcad | basically, something that has layers, text that is editable and can be repositioned |
| 15:54.51 | amarjeet | Okay |
| 16:13.32 | brlcad | amarjeet: i noticed you're reviewing tasks but not marking them needing more work or approved? intentional? |
| 16:15.54 | amarjeet | I just didn't marked single task intentionally |
| 16:16.14 | amarjeet | As I want to ask something from you at that time |
| 16:17.10 | amarjeet | It was related to building model of house using OpenSCAD. |
| 16:19.09 | amarjeet | I wanted to know does we need to check how the model looks or just we have to check that task is completed according to description |
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| 16:23.37 | juskirat2000 | is there any mentor ? |
| 16:24.09 | gcibot | is bored :( |
| 16:24.48 | juskirat2000 | ? |
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| 16:26.58 | sniok | yes |
| 16:28.23 | sniok | https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4710613429256192/ looks a lot like http://brlcad.org/gci/data/uncategorized/2014-4544323332866048-Design_a_T-Shirt_for_BRL-CAD_6_-_BRL-CAD/file-3-2014-12-06T06:50-0800-Tshirt%201C.png |
| 16:28.32 | gcibot | Design a t-shirt for BRL-CAD || 3 days || Outreach / Research || BRL-CAD |
| 16:32.03 | brlcad | excellent catch sniok .. how'd you notice that? :) |
| 16:32.35 | sniok | I've been working on categorizing previous GCI tasks |
| 16:33.08 | brlcad | yes, but to notice that current pending task too ... wow :) |
| 16:33.26 | brlcad | props |
| 16:34.30 | brlcad | amarjeet: it's a judgement call -- if they fulfilled the task criteria and clearly have spend at least 3 hours on it, that's generally plenty adequate to mark it accepted |
| 16:36.08 | brlcad | amarjeet: if they clearly spent lots of time and effort, e.g., more than 5+ hours, definitely should be accepted unless there's a major problem |
| 16:36.35 | amarjeet | Okay |
| 16:36.37 | brlcad | anything less, it's okay to say it needs more work when there is something that could be improved |
| 16:37.24 | brlcad | just be cautious doing that more than a couple times on the non-design tasks.. they usually take hours and asking for more work should be to correct errors |
| 16:39.14 | amarjeet | Okay I will take care |
| 16:39.20 | brlcad | on design tasks, it's much more complicated -- there I tend to be more strict on them needing to fix all technical issues (not subjective issues!) and try to balance their effort with the quality of the work, how close to useable it is |
| 16:39.49 | brlcad | e.g., http://brlcad.org/gci/data/uncategorized/2014-4544323332866048-Design_a_T-Shirt_for_BRL-CAD_6_-_BRL-CAD/file-3-2014-12-06T06:50-0800-Tshirt%201C.png is pretty darn close to usable as-is, whether I like it or not |
| 16:41.23 | sniok | brlcad: I think we should make task about fixing spelling mistakes in OGV a bit easier. I don't think there are a lot of them and fixing at least 5 would be nice anyway. |
| 16:41.54 | brlcad | https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4710613429256192 has aliasing errors, an unnecessary trailing / on the url, lots of content on the belly (probably uncomfortable), but is otherwise close to usable too |
| 16:41.55 | gcibot | Design a t-shirt for BRL-CAD || 3 days || Outreach / Research || BRL-CAD |
| 16:43.01 | brlcad | okay, I can reduce the count ... but there are more mistakes than one usually realizes |
| 16:43.15 | brlcad | the mistake people make is browsing the code for spelling mistakes with their eyes |
| 16:43.32 | brlcad | spelling mistakes are caught using tools -- if you apply common tools, you'll find dozens |
| 16:45.57 | amarjeet | Should above task be accepted even with aliasing error |
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| 16:52.30 | juskirat2000 | i am finding difficulty again |
| 16:58.52 | brlcad | well stop looking for it then juskirat2000! :) |
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| 16:59.06 | brlcad | amarjeet: given the similarity, no |
| 16:59.46 | brlcad | for design tasks, the bar keeps getting raised |
| 17:00.24 | brlcad | within the next week or two, I'd like to get all the previous and new design tasks into a gallery on github so everyoen can see prior work |
| 17:00.43 | brlcad | it helps set quality and uniqueness expectations |
| 17:04.22 | amarjeet | That would be great as otherwise I would have accepted it as I would not have know that its similar to some previous work. |
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| 17:07.28 | juskirat2000 | ?? |
| 17:11.24 | sniok | I've been working on gci tasks manager, it's not done yet, I plan to finish it once GCI is over ( so we could add this year tasks ). But it can be useful for viewing. |
| 17:11.36 | sniok | For example here is group for t-shirts: https://gci.esde.name/group/-KXq5e0ysT2bEn3UDJbn |
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| 17:12.59 | juskirat2000 | what should do for improvement |
| 17:13.15 | juskirat2000 | what should i do for improvement |
| 17:15.11 | juskirat2000 | ? |
| 17:19.05 | sniok | juskirat2000: As Amarjeet said you should fix jagged logo on the back and "squeeze the "BRL-CAD" and "Open Source Solid modelling" and make BRL-CAD little upward" |
| 17:20.52 | sniok | If you don't understand something just ask |
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