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| 01:35.51 | brlcad | Storyteller: none that aren't included by default |
| 01:36.15 | Storyteller | well, it needs x11 |
| 01:36.19 | brlcad | it will auto-detect what you have and use system versions if they are compatible |
| 01:36.23 | brlcad | well, yes :) |
| 01:36.28 | Storyteller | and my build, is wayland only |
| 01:36.32 | brlcad | technically doesn't require x11 |
| 01:36.36 | brlcad | but then you won't get a GUI |
| 01:36.48 | Storyteller | if I can get it to, Id like to get it to run in wayland |
| 01:36.49 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm in the prcess of trying to merge to RELEASE - should I hold off? It's going to be a big merge (ditto RELEASE->STABLE) so it will take some time |
| 01:37.03 | Storyteller | blender has a wayland compositor |
| 01:37.12 | starseeker | Does Tk work with wayland? |
| 01:37.48 | brlcad | starseeker: vs what? |
| 01:38.23 | Storyteller | qt/kde does, and sdl |
| 01:38.27 | starseeker | brlcad: sorry? |
| 01:38.34 | brlcad | I have some bits of directory code I'm finalizing, but they don't need to hold up release |
| 01:38.41 | Storyteller | idk if tk does |
| 01:38.43 | brlcad | hold off vs not hold off, what's the consideration |
| 01:38.56 | Storyteller | I may not even include kdeqt by default |
| 01:39.17 | Storyteller | just wayland weston and gnutools. real minimal |
| 01:39.25 | Storyteller | but brl would be nice |
| 01:39.34 | brlcad | Storyteller: BRL-CAD will compile without a GUI and still fully function in command-mode -- that is a starting point if you'v not gotten anything to compile yet |
| 01:39.50 | brlcad | and as for deps, you'll need a compiler, cmake, and libc |
| 01:39.51 | starseeker | brlcad: ah - didn't want to miss a fix for directory location of cache by a few minutes if you were on the verge of committing |
| 01:39.56 | Storyteller | no, just making dependency maps and organizing the project |
| 01:40.03 | Storyteller | ok |
| 01:40.31 | Storyteller | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.36 | brlcad | starseeker: well maybe, but no need to hold up -- I can pull them through if you sync it first |
| 01:40.41 | brlcad | do what you got to do |
| 01:40.49 | starseeker | k, will do |
| 01:41.27 | starseeker | this first sync should be the slow one in any case - looks like we were closing in on 2K commits, and with the year update in there it's hitting most of the files |
| 01:41.57 | brlcad | nods |
| 01:42.21 | brlcad | Storyteller: are you planning on trying to get it working on wayland, i.e., doing development to get it working? |
| 01:42.25 | starseeker | arrrrrgh.... know any way to resume a merge if the server drops the connection mid stream? |
| 01:42.36 | Storyteller | maybe |
| 01:42.48 | Storyteller | first thing is to get a LFS up and running |
| 01:43.11 | Storyteller | Im building a distro based on programming and science and math |
| 01:43.42 | Storyteller | there are other distros tht use x11/xfree86 |
| 01:44.05 | brlcad | cool |
| 01:44.12 | brlcad | starseeker: don't know |
| 01:44.15 | Storyteller | mine is based on wayland, but only as an after tought, its focus is core commandline and text interfaces, or full framebuffer multitasking |
| 01:44.22 | Storyteller | so, appreciate the help |
| 01:44.40 | brlcad | Storyteller: I'd suggest starting with a command-line build then anyways |
| 01:44.46 | Storyteller | ok |
| 01:44.49 | brlcad | brl-cad is fully functional in command-mode |
| 01:44.59 | Storyteller | what all can brl do in command mode? |
| 01:45.00 | brlcad | over 400 utilities and 700 commands |
| 01:45.18 | Storyteller | obviously, you cant really model a house or object to 3d print |
| 01:45.24 | Storyteller | like, you could in blender |
| 01:45.43 | Storyteller | but like 'volume of a complex manifold'? |
| 01:45.51 | brlcad | anything it can do in GUI mode, just not in a 3D window |
| 01:45.55 | Storyteller | could it read a file and spit out a number? |
| 01:45.57 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.00 | Storyteller | ok |
| 01:46.08 | Storyteller | well, you couldnt see it |
| 01:46.43 | brlcad | you can, it's just be a little tedious -- you can render to image, and display that |
| 01:46.45 | Storyteller | can you render to file? or output a 3d window to a file? |
| 01:47.10 | Storyteller | ok, so, maybe you could pipe its display to a framebuffer |
| 01:47.20 | brlcad | right |
| 01:47.23 | Storyteller | Ill look into it once I get further along |
| 01:47.39 | brlcad | do you know if glfw works on wayland? |
| 01:47.47 | Storyteller | not yet |
| 01:48.21 | brlcad | huh, http://www.glfw.org/docs/latest/news.html says its experimental |
| 01:49.36 | brlcad | so that's another possibility down the road -- we have an experimental visualization interface that doesn't rely on tk or X11, uses glfw, but then there's also an experimental Qt interfaces as well that might do the trick |
| 02:01.42 | Storyteller | cool |
| 02:02.03 | Storyteller | I might make a Qt/KDE extension package |
| 02:02.30 | Storyteller | I need to get the core going. decide on bootloaders, filesystem, lvm or not, etc |
| 02:02.38 | Storyteller | possible hardening |
| 02:09.06 | brlcad | thanks for letting us know about it. I've been similarly interested in setting up a CAx distro for STEAM education, but haven't gotten too far into it |
| 02:18.13 | Storyteller | #wayland is open |
| 02:19.21 | Storyteller | https://wayland.freedesktop.org/toolkits.html |
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| 03:49.07 | starseeker | is interested to note that the OpenFlipper GUI appears to have a functioning accordian widget in Qt |
| 04:25.02 | starseeker | man... avg. almost 30 minutes per merge/commit op |
| 04:27.49 | starseeker | brlcad: feel free to yank the tag and redo it if you want to propagate the other changes through - I forgot we don't have the commit bot so I missed the recent commits |
| 04:28.57 | starseeker | scowls at sf/svn/network speeds |
| 04:30.42 | starseeker | not sure if that was my network connection or on the sourceforge side, but that was amazingly painful |
| 04:31.15 | starseeker | calls it a night |
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